Thank you — it is the actual “Range” when you fill it up with Compressed Hydrogen gas that has gone down. For example, it your tank can hold 6 kg of Compressed Hydrogen Gas, it now only states on the instrument panel that you can max out at 5kg of capacity. Capacity of available CHG should have nothing to do with heater or cold weather in my opinion. This also means I am filling up more frequently!
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Thank you — it is the actual “Range” when you fill it up with Compressed Hydrogen gas that has gone down. For example, it your tank can hold 6 kg of Compressed Hydrogen Gas, it now only states on the instrument panel that you can max out at 5kg of capacity. Capacity of available CHG should have nothing to do with heater or cold weather in my opinion. This also means I am filling up more frequently!
KentuckyKen
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You’re right on that. Sorry, I didn’t know yours was the FC version. I have no idea why it would start reducing how much Hydrogen you can put in your tank. I think we all wish Honda was more open with how our Claritys work.
I believe the tank can hold up to 6kg of CHG. Close to 12,000 miles on the vehicle. Prior to October, I was getting 330-370 Range on a complete fillup. Yesterday, I got 260 mile range for a fill up! I have reached out to Honda but no response!
Hi Shak,
Are those range numbers (330 vs 260) actual measured miles (via the trip odometer) or just the guess-o-meter providing the range estimate.
If its the GoM, then I'm guessing the reduced range is cause by the drop in ambient temperature. Based on my PHEV in Canada, it appears that the GoM algorithm uses the ambient temperature as a variable to arrive at an estimated range. Lower temp = lower range estimate regardless of whether you use the heater, seat warmers etc..
Are FCV's only available in CA? It would be interesting to know the average daily temperatures (then and now) and actual miles covered per fill-up. If this is the case, then your estimated mileage should go back up in the spring.
Hi,
Yes, I measured the range and indeed there is a diminished range. Temperature aspect makes sense but wow by almost 30% drop? I have reached out to Honda if America but no reply yet.
Update: my local honda dealer in oregon is ordering two new pillars for me as we were able to replicate the rattle / gap issue. Whoohoo!!
I haven't heard of the replace-the-pillars fix before. Did your dealer learn this fix from Honda or are they just assuming that's the only way to fix the problem? Is there a Honda pillar-fix-it kit? Perhaps the 2019 Clarity pillar covers are different? So many questions! Our one pillar cover won't rattle within a 5-mile radius of the dealer and I haven't asked the technician to drive 6 miles.
Alex0913
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Which Honda dealer in Oregon?
I don't know details other than replacement parts are being ordered.
Town & Country in Gladstone, OR
This forum thrives on details. Please ask questions and let us know what your dealer tells you when you go for the fix.
So anyone has had the 4 recalls performed on their Clarity. On my side the car felt like a brand new vehicle, no high revs, HV charge working fine... only worked for 5 miles and all problems came back!
- Extreme High revs like first gear wide open and no power
- HV charge not working when engine revving occurs (sounds like its at 6000 rpm)
- No EV no HV but engine running on high revs
- EV and HV on at same time but engine not on
- Car won’t start at all if I use public charger
- Remote AC won’t stop when you open door
- Dash going black
- Range display still way off
And Honda says that nothing is wrong with my car.
Anyone want to join the class action?
- Extreme High revs like first gear wide open and no power
- HV charge not working when engine revving occurs (sounds like its at 6000 rpm)
- No EV no HV but engine running on high revs
- EV and HV on at same time but engine not on
- Car won’t start at all if I use public charger
- Remote AC won’t stop when you open door
- Dash going black
- Range display still way off
And Honda says that nothing is wrong with my car.
Anyone want to join the class action?
Clarity_Newbie
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Yannick
As noted earlier...I truly hate the issues you are having with the Clarity. I have no doubt you have real concerns and issues. I also have no doubt Honda USA will be more of a hindrance than a problem solver.
I'd be useless in a class action suit at this point since I have none of the issues you describe. Knock on wood they do not occur.
One thing I am doing as a result of the thread titled "Want to know your ICE RPM's?" is I am getting ready to put a OBD11 device on my Clarity to collect various data points for my info plus to share with the forum. Mr. Fixit, LeoP among others deserve the credit for this idea.
Link to the thread https://insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?threads/want-to-know-your-ice-rpms.4242/
The reason I mention this...perhaps you should consider getting an adapter and record the Clarity's engine functions for your info as well as the dealers. Most OBD11 adapters and associated smartphone app read many functions of the car including RPM's etc. If nothing else, if you collect the data and it supports your assertion...Honda may be more amiable to listening.
Just a thought and hope this helps.
Good luck.
JFon101231
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I guess I'll join the list - new Clarity PHEV. Picked up Friday the 4th and have put about 1400 miles on it already.
1) wouldn't charge on L2 at work, even though my previous Fit EV charged fine and it charges at home. Frustrating the SB wasn't done before pickup
2) noticed the XM/Sirius issue and found here its related to preconditioning
Haven't noticed any of the other issues here, hopefully stays that way
Need to keep an eye on few other things. On recent long trip to VT, it seems the gas range (running in HV) disappeared much faster than the GoM originally showed. Maybe gas motor is affected by HVAC usage too? Not sure, seemed that HV range was only around 250-275 miles, but I'll need to watch.
Also appears that even when connected to L2 that pre-conditioning pulls power from the battery. In my opinion, PC should only use whatever power provided by the wall so you still leave at 100%. PC and dropping to 80% EV range after driving a mile or 2 kind of defeats the purpose. Will watch this more closely to, but was one of the biggest gripes I had with the Fit EV since I park outside in CT and it gets cold.
1) wouldn't charge on L2 at work, even though my previous Fit EV charged fine and it charges at home. Frustrating the SB wasn't done before pickup
2) noticed the XM/Sirius issue and found here its related to preconditioning
Haven't noticed any of the other issues here, hopefully stays that way
Need to keep an eye on few other things. On recent long trip to VT, it seems the gas range (running in HV) disappeared much faster than the GoM originally showed. Maybe gas motor is affected by HVAC usage too? Not sure, seemed that HV range was only around 250-275 miles, but I'll need to watch.
Also appears that even when connected to L2 that pre-conditioning pulls power from the battery. In my opinion, PC should only use whatever power provided by the wall so you still leave at 100%. PC and dropping to 80% EV range after driving a mile or 2 kind of defeats the purpose. Will watch this more closely to, but was one of the biggest gripes I had with the Fit EV since I park outside in CT and it gets cold.
it always leaves 100% after preconditioning with L1 charger for me- you should have that checked.I guess I'll join the list - new Clarity PHEV. Picked up Friday the 4th and have put about 1400 miles on it already.
1) wouldn't charge on L2 at work, even though my previous Fit EV charged fine and it charges at home. Frustrating the SB wasn't done before pickup
2) noticed the XM/Sirius issue and found here its related to preconditioning
Haven't noticed any of the other issues here, hopefully stays that way
Need to keep an eye on few other things. On recent long trip to VT, it seems the gas range (running in HV) disappeared much faster than the GoM originally showed. Maybe gas motor is affected by HVAC usage too? Not sure, seemed that HV range was only around 250-275 miles, but I'll need to watch.
Also appears that even when connected to L2 that pre-conditioning pulls power from the battery. In my opinion, PC should only use whatever power provided by the wall so you still leave at 100%. PC and dropping to 80% EV range after driving a mile or 2 kind of defeats the purpose. Will watch this more closely to, but was one of the biggest gripes I had with the Fit EV since I park outside in CT and it gets cold.
KentuckyKen
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On my Level 2 EVSE, I too can leave with 100% SOC after preconditioning.
petteyg359
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80% range or 80% battery level? Range is obviously going to be less when it's cold.
JFon101231
Active Member
I'll monitor it more closely. I had a Fit EV before my Clarity PHEV, and it would show 100% SOC after pre-conditioning, but it wasn't "real". You could literally drive a few miles and the range would drop like 10+ miles. It was a frequent loop to drop my kids off at school, so I had the opportunity to test plenty of times the affect with/without PC. The L2 charger (one that came with the car, forget what brand off-hand) would turn on when PC was turned on, but this is my guess only, the heater probably pulled directly from the car and the charger was trying to fill the car back up but when near 100% SOC the heater was pulling from the battery faster than the car would allow the charger to push energy back in, and the SOC meter didn't seem to pick that up if you weren't driving. Similarly, IIRC if you PC without a charger on car it would still show 100% SOC until you drove it even though clearly that wasn't possible.
I don't know if Clarity is set up same way rather than pulling 'direct' from the plug, maybe someone with access to Honda Tech can understand the schematics/programming enough to conclude?
I had gotten in the habit of charging to less than 100% and then turning on PC and charging before leaving which seemed to help with the issue with the Fit, and have done that with the Clarity sometimes too. Did it this AM, started at around 91% charged and cabin temp of 20's. Left home with 98-99% SOC and cabin temp of 70ish. Range showed 70 miles; 35 EV and 35 HV. EV did NOT appear to drop like the Fit used to. I used HV for a stint in the middle on the highway since it showed my EV wouldn't make it all the way. I missed the mark a bit b/c arrived with 2.x EV miles. On a 43 mile drive to work I ended up with a remaining range of roughly 20 miles, so original est range was about 10% off.
I've taken a few long trips with the car but haven't yet settled into the daily routine because of the charging issue at work but now the SB is done hopefully I am in the clear and can start so will keep an eye out. I need to watch total range and gas MPG too, because on my trip up to VT it seemed poor. When I fill up today will see what my HV range goes to, I think it will be in the mid-200's but I've seen people say 357 for theirs. I typically run the cabin around 62-64* and run 74mph on the highway for 1/2 the trip and roughly 45mpg avg speed (30 to 50) for the rest so not like I'm trying to make it summer time or go CRAZY high speed so would have expected the gas mpg to be higher. Maybe the cold affects that more than I imagined...
I don't know if Clarity is set up same way rather than pulling 'direct' from the plug, maybe someone with access to Honda Tech can understand the schematics/programming enough to conclude?
I had gotten in the habit of charging to less than 100% and then turning on PC and charging before leaving which seemed to help with the issue with the Fit, and have done that with the Clarity sometimes too. Did it this AM, started at around 91% charged and cabin temp of 20's. Left home with 98-99% SOC and cabin temp of 70ish. Range showed 70 miles; 35 EV and 35 HV. EV did NOT appear to drop like the Fit used to. I used HV for a stint in the middle on the highway since it showed my EV wouldn't make it all the way. I missed the mark a bit b/c arrived with 2.x EV miles. On a 43 mile drive to work I ended up with a remaining range of roughly 20 miles, so original est range was about 10% off.
I've taken a few long trips with the car but haven't yet settled into the daily routine because of the charging issue at work but now the SB is done hopefully I am in the clear and can start so will keep an eye out. I need to watch total range and gas MPG too, because on my trip up to VT it seemed poor. When I fill up today will see what my HV range goes to, I think it will be in the mid-200's but I've seen people say 357 for theirs. I typically run the cabin around 62-64* and run 74mph on the highway for 1/2 the trip and roughly 45mpg avg speed (30 to 50) for the rest so not like I'm trying to make it summer time or go CRAZY high speed so would have expected the gas mpg to be higher. Maybe the cold affects that more than I imagined...
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