Jim In Tucson
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I think with most AHJ, hard wired would be considered ‘permanent’ and plug in would be considered ‘temporary’.
The National Electric Code now requires GFCI on any 240 V outlet. Since EVSEs have their own GFCI, hardwiring is the only way to get around having double GFCI. In addition, eliminating a receptacle reduces a potential point of failure. I've seen photos of 240 V outlets that have melted due to defects or poor installation, and BEVs draw a lot of energy over a long period of time which puts quite a load on the circuit.Anyone have an idea as to why they would have added this requirement for hardwiring?
I have a Besenergy 32 amp with the wifi connection en route.
Anyone have positive or negative things to say about Besenergy? It says TUV approved which I read somewhere is as strict as UL.
The prior owner built an extension and the breaker box is in the basement by the garage. I drilled the hole and bought 6 gauge wire. Now I have to decide if I am going to open up the sheetrock or try to snake the wire between the wall since I want the outlet about chest height.
Now I have to decide if I am going to open up the sheetrock or try to snake the wire between the wall since I want the outlet about chest height.
Bottom is the hole to the basement, about where I want the outlet is outlined above the hole.
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I've never heard of an EVSE being stolen, but it would be less likely to be stolen if it was hardwired. Not a lot harder, but it would take at least a minute. After having installed my 48-Amp ClipperCreek EVSE, I know I could disconnect it in about a minute--after shutting off the breaker--so I see only upsides to hard-wiring.
Wasn't hard. Snaked it between the wall. But it was only about three feet.In my one experience with 6-gauge wire (when installing my EVSE), bending that wire is a difficult proposition. It doesn't seem "snakeable" to me.
I should note that this is a Gen 2, which means it can be daisy chained with up to three other Gen 2 wall connectors ON THE SAME BREAKER (using a communication cable to share the load if/when more than one car is charging). My setup is two of them on a 60A breaker; both have Tesla nozzles but I have one using a Tesla to J1772 adapter. I can plug and unplug either car at any time and the two connectors alter their draw to stay at 48A continuous.I know some people have been using the Tesla EVSE with an adapter but it seems Tesla is now making a J1772 version! At $415 it seems like a pretty good deal and definitely looks nicer than my Grizzl-e
https://shop.tesla.com/product/j1772-gen-2-wall-connector
Do they have a 240-Volt supply cable that doesn't appear in the photo or do they have to be mounted directly over an outlet box?I should note that this is a Gen 2, which means it can be daisy chained with up to three other Gen 2 wall connectors ON THE SAME BREAKER (using a communication cable to share the load if/when more than one car is charging). My setup is two of them on a 60A breaker; both have Tesla nozzles but I have one using a Tesla to J1772 adapter. I can plug and unplug either car at any time and the two connectors alter their draw to stay at 48A continuous.
The Gen 3 Tesla connectors talk via WiFi (vice the cable) and, therefore, must be on their own breakers. Much worse, IMO. Additionally, their promised load sharing capability has not been turned on, yet, AFAIK.
Oh, the Gen 2 cable is big and heavy. Some may not like that, but for me, more copper is better.
Definitely different, but perfect for the SE (if you like the design):Mine was only for hard mounting, because it can pull up to 80A on a 100A breaker. The listed one mentions a 50A breaker spec, so it may not be the exact same guts.
Congratulations! I just took delivery of my 2022 SE 6 weeks ago and don't really miss my old Scion FRS. I wonder how many others have turned in their sports cars for the Mini SE.Well, you bring up a couple of sore points:
- Ontario used to have tax credits under our last government. Both for the purchase of the car and for the installation of the evse. Our current provincial government deleted both those soon after they got into office. I really don't want to start a political discussion, but according to the ESA inspector he has been inspecting far fewer esves since the credits were deleted. Also, the old government mandated 200amp panels for all new home builds; the new government went back to 125amp panels. Sigh. At least I still got a federal tax rebate of $5,000 on the purchase of the MINI.
- I missed out on the 2022 by a couple months. I would have liked the heated steering wheel and adaptive cruise control! Still super excited though. I'm trading in my 2010 Nissan 370Z, which means I'm getting other nice things like Apple CarPlay, back up camera, head up display, wireless phone charging, rear visibility... Oh, and zero emissions!
I know some people have been using the Tesla EVSE with an adapter but it seems Tesla is now making a J1772 version! At $415 it seems like a pretty good deal and definitely looks nicer than my Grizzl-e
https://shop.tesla.com/product/j1772-gen-2-wall-connector
Congratulations! I just took delivery of my 2022 SE 6 weeks ago and don't really miss my old Scion FRS. I wonder how many others have turned in their sports cars for the Mini SE.
It may never have actually been a product. See this post.I can't seem to find this "new" Tesla product at the Tesla store or anywhere else online. Even this link gives me a 404 error. Anybody know what happened, or where to find the product now?
It may never have actually been a product. See this post.
I agree I looked and did not find either.I can't seem to find this "new" Tesla product at the Tesla store or anywhere else online. Even this link gives me a 404 error. Anybody know what happened, or where to find the product now?