Very Simply 300 is insufficient

[R P]

Like I have said before (maybe in other threads) EVs are not for everyone. Some are just stuck in their luddite ways and unwilling to adapt and learn something new. And at 73, am very far from being anything similar to a nerd. But throughout my life, I embraced change and taking advantage of new things to enhance my life.

 

[Keith Smith]

Hate to be a stickler here Bob> You said your battery shows 83% degradation. I think you meant 83% state of health and 17% degradation. Right?

How about, totally passive voice... "Has degraded to 83% of its original capacity" . . .

 

[Raylo]

That's great and that's partly why I come here. Your experiences provide lots of information, in addition to confirming my thoughts. I mostly came here to read technical details and reviews of various EVs but this site doesn't have a lot of that kind of activity. Instead, I need to go to the mfg specifc forums to learn much of anything.

Fair enough. EVs are different and we’re learning the differences and sharing how to achieve the goal of getting from point A to B. There are options.

Bob Wilson

 

[bwilson4web]

need to go to the mfg specifc forums

Actually I start with Fueleconomy.gov as the cost per mile is what drives me. Then like you, vehicle specific forums. There I find the problems real owners are dealing with. Press car reviews are worthless. Edmunds buys their own and gives quality reviews. Consumer Union has a Tim Allen style, gas engine bias.

Bob Wilson

 

[Paul K]

That's great and that's partly why I come here. Your experiences provide lots of information, in addition to confirming my thoughts. I mostly came here to read technical details and reviews of various EVs but this site doesn't have a lot of that kind of activity. Instead, I need to go to the mfg specifc forums to learn much of anything.

Yeah this site seems to be withering on the vine since it was detached from the Inside EVS website. It's too bad as I also enjoy a general forum where one can learn about the various experiences with different makes. The main contributors are for Tesla (primarily B Wilson) Kia and Hyundai and me occasionally for the VW id.4 or general comments.

The site seems to be off the radar for Cadillac, Nissan and some others. And why does Nicola have a listing at all. I'll still hang in with this site as long as it's running as I enjoy it.

 

[Keith Smith]

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they now have an L2 I can use while at their home. This should add another 50km of range which is almost enough.
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Minimal L2 @ 24A = ~5600W (240V/30A circuit) should pretty much charge to full in 8 or 9 hours. L2 = 240V, so if you choke it down to 16A (240/20), 3840W you should be hitting close to 20 klicks an hour. Not sure where you are only getting 50 klicks overnight.

 

[Raylo]

Yup, it would really be nice to have a good forum that covers many brands. But even the vehicle specific forums are a crapshoot. You need to spend a lot of time looking to find one that is reasonably active. There are just so many forum startups trying to get a piece of the action that the users get diluted and it is often hard to find the best forum. And generally there will be only one that is decent, with the rest having only months old posts.

Yeah this site seems to be withering on the vine since it was detached from the Inside EVS website. It's too bad as I also enjoy a general forum where one can learn about the various experiences with different makes. The main contributors are for Tesla (primarily B Wilson) Kia and Hyundai and me occasionally for the VW id.4 or general comments.

The site seems to be off the radar for Cadillac, Nissan and some others. And why does Nicola have a listing at all. I'll still hang in with this site as long as it's running as I enjoy it.

 

[Keith Smith]

Yeah this site seems to be withering on the vine since it was detached from the Inside EVS website. It's too bad as I also enjoy a general forum where one can learn about the various experiences with different makes. The main contributors are for Tesla (primarily B Wilson) Kia and Hyundai and me occasionally for the VW id.4 or general comments.

The site seems to be off the radar for Cadillac, Nissan and some others. And why does Nicola have a listing at all. I'll still hang in with this site as long as it's running as I enjoy it.

It is what it is. Frankly I think a lot of the car forum stuff, is around problems, and as time passes we are seeing fewer and fewer problems with all of these cars. Also as the number of EV users climb for a given EV model, it get's it's own forum like the ICE vehicles do.

As far as 300 miles goes, Meh! My old RX-8 would only roll about 200 miles on a tank. It's really more about the charging envelope, and time. If you have the time, and you are traveling fill it as far as it will go. If you are kicking off from home, I'd always leave at 100%.

 

[Raylo]

LOL... I had a 1978 TransAm 4-speed with a 21 gallon tank and I would need to start looking for gas at about 180 miles. It had a carburetor, of course, and the 4-speed had no overdrive, so highway mileage was almost as bad as city. I cringe when I think about it. So much waste...

As far as 300 miles goes, Meh! My old RX-8 would only roll about 200 miles on a tank. It's really more about the charging envelope, and time. If you have the time, and you are traveling fill it as far as it will go. If you are kicking off from home, I'd always leave at 100%.

 

[ENirogus]

It is quite clear that if you constantly drive more than [range/2] away from your house, then perhaps an EV is not for you
Rarely do anti-EVers here or elsewhere describe their situation that explains why they need that range.
Mostly because it is fear rather than need.
Yes, EV's will take longer and require more stops than many ICE vehicles on long trips.
The infinitely vast percentage of people drive their cars less than 100 miles per day, and take longer trips occasionally. The time and money you save not having to stop at the gas station every week is balanced out by the longer trip time on occasional trips.

But the bizarre excuses are boring
You do not have to limit charging to 80 percent
I charge my Kia to 100 percent all the time.
In winter when I tend to leave it plugged in all the time, I lower the max.
There is, to my knowledge, no evidence of EV vehicles with a sophisticated BMS having issues with charging to 100 percent.

Yes you lose range in cold weather, so do ICE vehicles.

Almost 4 years, almost 40k miles, my Niro has been charged away from home once. With a 120v extension cord.

If you live in ND and it is 2 hours to the Walmart, then maybe an EV is a poor choice.
Where 80 percent of the people in the country live, with the usage that 90 percent of the people use, an EV works just fine.

 

[ENirogus]

Worry Worry Worry............
Think of this, wherever you are in any country, are you closer to electricity or gasoline?

 

[electriceddy]

this site seems to be withering on the vine

Traffic is up and new memberships are steady but not a lot of contribution from them, mostly lurking as I discussed with the administrator @Rob Lay earlier. Perhaps they use the site as more of a guide pre-purchase.
With the direction subsidies are taking (not only U.S.A but also Canada with the iZEV rebate cancellation) the recovery might become stagnant hopefully on a temporary basis.

The site seems to be off the radar for Cadillac, Nissan and some others. And why does Nicola have a listing at all.

I do not have access as moderator to the sub-forum administration, otherwise these things I would have taken care of including adding subs for Charger Daytona, Jeep Wagoneer S etc also removing subs as you suggested.
In my discussions with Rob apparently we will be getting a part time admin. within too long for help with that type of technical work, also social posts and newsletter e-mail.

I'll still hang in with this site as long as it's running as I enjoy it.

Thanks, it is appreciated and so are your contributions. I also enjoy and probably spend more time than I should. If you have any suggestions to help increase traffic my inbox is always open, can also contact @Rob Lay in the same manor.

 

[R P]

There were and still are some very knowledgeable EV, electrical and tech savy participants on this forum. And for certain cars, still quite active, with very good info. That's why I still keep coming back. Of course I also frequent other forums for my cars. But still like this one.

I am not sure how to attract more traffic here. Other than just keep giving good info that maybe others might appreciate and value.

 

[marshall]

It all depends on where you live and what type of driving you do. If you live in a cold climate and regularly drive long distances, a 300 mi. range only available in optimal weather probably doesn't cut it. But if you don't normally drive more than 100 miles a day and can charge at home, it's no biggie. And quite a few of us live in places where the temp rarely or never falls below 50F, so temp has almost no impact on our range. That said, if EVs are to become the norm in cold climates, range and charging infrastructure will need to improve. Of course, Norway -- not known for warm, tropical weather -- is close to having EVs hit 90% of sales, so it can be done in cold climates. I presume the charging infrastructure there is good. I'm curious what Norwegian driving patterns are, something I have zero knowledge of.

I don't see Norway as being a very cold climate as most of the population is along the warmer coastline. I better cold climate test would be Manitoba, Canada.

 

[marshall]

Traffic is up and new memberships are steady but not a lot of contribution from them, mostly lurking as I discussed with the administrator @Rob Lay earlier. Perhaps they use the site as more of a guide pre-purchase.
With the direction subsidies are taking (not only U.S.A but also Canada with the iZEV rebate cancellation) the recovery might become stagnant hopefully on a temporary basis.

I do not have access as moderator to the sub-forum administration, otherwise these things I would have taken care of including adding subs for Charger Daytona, Jeep Wagoneer S etc also removing subs as you suggested.
In my discussions with Rob apparently we will be getting a part time admin. within too long for help with that type of technical work, also social posts and newsletter e-mail.

Thanks, it is appreciated and so are your contributions. I also enjoy and probably spend more time than I should. If you have any suggestions to help increase traffic my inbox is always open, can also contact @Rob Lay in the same manor.

The problem is that the link from InsideEVs is gone. I thought the owner was suppose to rename the site. That would help with the search function.

 

[marshall]

I bought a used Nissan Leaf. I knew going in that it was a commuter car. But I didn't need much range. Ninety-nine percent of my driving is under 30 miles round trip.

As such, I charge at home for about 12 cents a kWh, and the maintenance cost is reasonable. If I need to drive long distances, I can rent a gas vehicle from one of the rental locations 15 minutes away.

So not everyone needs a 300 mile range EV. There are regular gas vehicles, hybrids, plug-in hybrids and extended range EVs with a gas generator that make more sense for those who regularly drive long distances, especially in the winter.

 

[ENirogus]

I bought a used Nissan Leaf. I knew going in that it was a commuter car. But I didn't need much range. Ninety-nine percent of my driving is under 30 miles round trip.

As such, I charge at home for about 12 cents a kWh, and the maintenance cost is reasonable. If I need to drive long distances, I can rent a gas vehicle from one of the rental locations 15 minutes away.

So not everyone needs a 300 mile range EV. There are regular gas vehicles, hybrids, plug-in hybrids and extended range EVs with a gas generator that make more sense for those who regularly drive long distances, especially in the winter.

I just clicked on the cars for sale link at the top of the page and saw how cheap used Leafs are. Super good deals when they meet your requirements.

 

[marshall]

I just clicked on the cars for sale link at the top of the page and saw how cheap used Leafs are. Super good deals when they meet your requirements.

If Nissan can keep their doors open, I agree. Hopefully, Foxconn buys them.

 

[ENirogus]

I don't see Norway as being a very cold climate as most of the population is along the warmer coastline. I better cold climate test would be Manitoba, Canada.

I think this is one of the use case issues. I live where it gets to single digits and it does not affect me. If I was a skier and wanted to drive 3 hours north every weekend to my lodge at Killington, this is right at the edge of my winter range for my 239 mile car. But I do not have a lodge at Killington, and don't enjoy falling down in the snow, so this is not an issue For me
When 300 miles is spoken of as not enough, it is just getting silly. Virtually every ICE vehicle would need to stop at this distance, virtually every human has to stop at this distance, so all you are talking about is how long that stop is.
AGain, there are personal differences. Family friends had aging parents 500 miles away, and not the budget for air travel. When those aging parents turned to ailing parents, there were quite a few cannonball runs to get out there. This is a real and predictable pattern of life. Turning that trip from one quick stop for a burger and fillup to 2 significant stops might not be a viable approach. Or maybe it is....

 

[Puppethead]

I don't see Norway as being a very cold climate as most of the population is along the warmer coastline. I better cold climate test would be Manitoba, Canada.

I try to do my part relating my winter experiences in Minnesota, our weather is pretty similar to Manitoba. EVs of all makes and models are quite common on Twin Cities roads even when we're double digits below zero Fahrenheit.