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Here's some testing I carried out to complement testing done by others over on HyundaiKonaForum.com :

Testing Magnetic plug options for the Kona EV gearbox in water

I installed and sealed each of three magnetic plug options into their own 400 ml clear plastic container such that only their top surfaces were exposed to the interior, as they would be when installed in the aluminium-cased Kona gearbox. Those plugs tested are the DeFill M18 with neodymium magnetic, the Toyota OEM 70-series Landcruiser diff plug with ceramic magnetic, and the home-brew solution - three Ø18x3mm neodymium disc magnets attached to the outer surface of the Hyundai OEM steel plug. I’d consider the DeFill to be similar enough to the Votex DP007 to perform the same, but the DeFill is 3mm longer but since it hasn’t been tested in the Kona I can’t specifically recommend it as an alternative to the Votex.

The agitator is an 18mm spade drill and the target agitation speed is 1500 RPM. One container lid was drilled to fit the spade drill shaft so water doesn’t splash out when agitating.

The iron filings were made with mild steel on a slow-turning drill-mounted grinding wheel to avoid overheating the particles and damaging their ferromagnetic properties. I filtered the particles magnetically to remove non-ferrous debris and divided them up about equally for the three plugs I’m testing, each quantity I’d describe as about what I’d expect to see as normal wear in the Kona’s gearbox over perhaps 50,000 km.

One downside of using water as the fluid medium instead of oil is that the particles rust in about 30 minutes so the entire experiment must be performed and disassembled expeditiously to keep the plugs in good condition. The upside is that the video images are clearer, there’s less risk of a nasty mess if something leaks, and the final cleanup is much easier.

The experimental method was to fill each container with water, install under the drill press and add the particles and allow them time to find their happy place. I quickly found out however that if dropped in gradually nothing much happens until agitation is started, but in two of the three cases the particles clumped together when dropped in and subsequently find the plug immediately.

In all three plug tests I replaced the water after the initial agitation to clear out any remaining non-ferrous debris. The contents were agitated for about a minute then allowed to settle before being agitated again to see if any break loose. The video is edited to minimise boredom, so intervals appear to be shorter. The top agitation speed generates tiny air bubbles that should be not confused as being significant loose ferrous particles. There is some inevitable foreign debris floating around as well.

The important outcome for all three options is that no amount of agitation could visibly knock any particles loose and all options work acceptably well. I'll note that in reality actual wear particles may have been subject to intense heat and as a result may have lost some ferromagnetic attraction, so this test is carried out with ideal particle properties.

I am going with the 3/4 inch by 1/8 inch neodymium dual magnet external mount (@navguy12 design). I am ordering two regular steel Hyundai plugs- are they( the fill and drain) the same part# 00810-17121? and do you think 2 would do the job ?
I ordered a pack of 5 and they arrived yesterday. My plan is to order 2 original plugs and 2 liters of 00232-19063 oil, pick them up, attach the 2 magnets to each plug with Scotch 414DC-SFEF mounting tape, then take the car in to have it changed in about a month while having the 2 year check and brake lubrication service done. I figure if I have the new plugs ready and hand them to the service dept, it will make it easier, than trying to fit them on the oily old ones. I will request (this time) to have the leftover gearbox oil (.9 liters) and the old plugs, (including the old oil in a container I will provide) returned to me...this will be the second change...first @ 8,699 kms, car now at 13,380 kms, should be ~ 14,000 kms when that 2nd check is due.
Thanks for your time and advice @KiwiME and @navguy12 ;)
Edit, I opened the parcel and discovered they sent me 5 containers, I thought each magnet was in separate container, but low and behold there are 5 magnets in each container! So after this is done...anyone LOCAL can PM me for a good deal, say $10 a magnet instead of $13.40, I should have enough to do 4 other Kona EVs if dual magnets are good enough (leaving me a few spares in case they get lost) this will help fund the oil change:D
 
I’m not sure that tape is needed as the magnets I have are very strong with 2 on each plug.
The OEM drain and fill plugs are identical parts.
Thanks for that confirmation on the identical plugs.
They looked the same in @navguy12 pictures:
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But I just wanted to be sure.
As it turns out, the dealer had to use my original oil change part# to order two new plugs as that is not a stocking item and there was little to no reference to them on their online manuals, 00810-17121 - the magnetic (NON magnetic) ones:
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What surprised me the most was they do now stock the 70W GL4 (00232-19063) so I was able to pick those 2 up right away.
Not sure if the reason for now stocking this oil is a chain reaction from threads like these (it's all your fault @KiwiME;)), or if the demand is up from GDU assembly replacement regarding the TSB,
The plugs should arrive next week. I also got a discount on the oil ($50 instead of $63) as the plugs increased to $8.13 each from $4.56 original.
 
I'll just mention that trying to fit a socket over one of those plugs while the magnets are fitted is quite challenging!
 
I'll just mention that trying to fit a socket over one of those plugs while the magnets are fitted is quite challenging!
Is that because of the magnetic attraction to the steel socket or is clearance for the socket with the magnets attached the issue. I certainly don't want to cause any frustration for the mechanic at Hyundai who will be changing the oil.
 
And some interesting news ... a new US-based owner has added magnets (from under the hood) at 1500 miles and sent a photo of the OEM plugs - note they're a different style!
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I don't see any magnets. Is this a 2022/23 model year? Maybe Hyundai changed the plugs to real magnetic ones; if that's the case...part #s would benefit older model owners.
 
Is that because of the magnetic attraction to the steel socket or is clearance for the socket with the magnets attached the issue. I certainly don't want to cause any frustration for the mechanic at Hyundai who will be changing the oil.
I suspected it would be an issue and that's why I tested it. I attached three Ø18 x 3mm magnets to a stock plug and tried to fit a 24mm socket over it. It was pretty much impossible to avoid the socket sticking directly to the magnets first and I could not engage the hex at all.
I don't see any magnets. Is this a 2022/23 model year? Maybe Hyundai changed the plugs to real magnetic ones; if that's the case...part #s would benefit older model owners.
Well, I posted the photo before the magnets were attached because they would obscure the relevant details, but here's the other photo. It's a 2022, presumably the last of them since it only has 1500 miles on it, but it could be a mid-production change.
Yes, I'm quietly optimistic that there's a chance that these could be magnet plugs. Fortunately the owner is a DIY type and seems interested in this issue. I'm hoping he will pull the filler plug out just to check if it's a magnetic type. Fingers crossed...!
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I suspected it would be an issue and that's why I tested it. I attached three Ø18 x 3mm magnets to a stock plug and tried to fit a 24mm socket over it. It was pretty much impossible to avoid the socket sticking directly to the magnets first and I could not engage the hex at all.

Well, I posted the photo before the magnets were attached because they would obscure the relevant details, but here's the other photo. It's a 2022, presumably the last of them since it only has 1500 miles on it, but it could be a mid-production change.
Yes, I'm quietly optimistic that there's a chance that these could be magnet plugs. Fortunately the owner is a DIY type and seems interested in this issue. I'm hoping he will pull the filler plug out just to check if it's a magnetic type. Fingers crossed...!
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That looks like 4 magnets, good Lord...if 3 makes it difficult to work a socket, 4 might be darn near impossible.
I will also experiment when I get the ordered plugs in my hands, maybe I will have to apply them after the oil change is completed:rolleyes:
 
If @navguy12 could chime in, maybe he could add more insight into the difficulty of magnetized socket application difficulties to tighten (or remove) the plugs. I know he used 2, maybe that is the cut-off...after all it is his original design workaround; here on in referred to as " the navguy12 external magnet technique";)
 
Well, they don't look magnetic so that ends that daydream! Thanks for posting this however, it's good to know.
 
Yes, cold forged from mild steel and then plated. It appears to be nothing more than cost-cutting or use of a second-source vendor rather than a sign that Mobis/Transgear have recognised this ongoing deficiency.
 
Do you guys take the magnets off when you go in for service to replace the gear oil in there?
No one has mentioned it so far. It wouldn't be very convenient to carry out unless you limited that to the fill plug, which can be reached from above. It's perfectly adequate functionally to just add them to that one plug.

I think all external magnet fans so far have been DIYing their oil changes.
 
Wakefield Canada just announced today availability of Castrol's new EV line of EV fluids, which should bring some competition to the market.
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The Castrol website shows more details on the low conductivity battery coolant also several EV transmission fluids depending on the type of drivetrain. Regarding Kona EV, the dry type would probably be applicable as the motor is cooled separate from the gearbox using thermal coolant rather than transmission fluid. Have yet to find out price as it was just announced as being available. Look forward to more information on these fluids.
"BYD, one of China's largest manufacturers of electric vehicles (BEVs), has signed a new three-year agreement to use Castrol ON advanced EV fluids in its range of BEVs. As part of the latest agreement and based on testing, BYD will officially recommend the use of Castrol ON EV Transmission Fluid within its Han luxury flagship car."
Source:
BYD to use Castrol ON Advanced EV Fluids in Range of Electric Vehicles in China (autofutures.tv)
 
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