David Towle
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They have a CRV PHEV but only in Europe right?
My terrible morning with the Clarity
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I know China has one, but don't know about Europe.
Somewhere on this forum. The document may have been posted by a member who had a subscription to Honda tech data. I had it saved but have since deleted those files along with the lost Watergate tapes.
If some whiz kid says it makes 103hp, I’ll cry Uncle. That said, having driven the car with the battery gauge at 2 bars and the engine revving as high as it seemingly would go, it has considerably less power that when driving in EV at 121hp. It feels like a car with 50-60hp despite what is read on a scan gauge.
martinot
2023 MINI Cooper SE F56 LCI2
We have it here in Sweden at least, so I guess that also goes for most other countries in the rest of Europe.
Översikt
Utforska nya Honda CR-V SUV, tillgänglig som fullhybrid eller laddhybrid, med avancerad säkerhetsteknik, komfort i premiumklass och imponerande effektivitet.
www.honda.se
Provkörning av Honda CR-V 2WD Plug in hybrid
Honda har lanserat två elbilar redan, vilket gör att det känns konstigt att säga att de nu kommer med sin ”första” laddhybrid. Vi kör CR-V Plug in Hybrid.
teknikensvarld.expressen.se
(Sorry for the links being in Swedish only)
Joe17
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In my opinion, I think the computer is prioritizing getting power back in to the battery and driving the car is secondary so the engine screams trying to keep up. Maybe I'm wrong? But, the time this has happened to me I have pulled over and turned the car off then back on and it drove normally.
Next time just throw it in Charge mode and slow down. Its just that initial engine start+charging that makes the engine scream. Then it settles out and chills around 3k rpms.
I ran it to zero miles on EV (Battery read 2%) at 65mph 2 days ago. It started to scream 4-5k rpms until the battery got back to around 6% then started to engage direct drive and charge battery.
FWIW: I just drove my gas truck more than 1600 miles in the last 3 days. The first day was 800 miles to pick up an Airstream camper and then 2 days of roughly 400 miles each day to tow it back. There was no need to think about what the truck/engine was doing, how it was doing it or to monitor anything that was going on other than tire pressure on the camper.
Life is much simpler without a PHEV. And I don’t have to instruct a friend or relative on how to operate it.
Life is much simpler without a PHEV. And I don’t have to instruct a friend or relative on how to operate it.
There's a best tool for every job.
martinot
2023 MINI Cooper SE F56 LCI2
I actually prefer pure ICE-cars, regardless of gasoline/diesel, or pure EVs (like we have now). Much simpler with just one type of propulsion system and drive train. Hybrids are always much more complicated to both operate and maintain.
We had a much better implemented hybrid (on the best IMO, together with Toyota and Volvo) for three years, but I am so much happier now that i exchanged that for a pure EV. Much wife (who mainly drives it) is so much more pleased with it.
Before the hybrid she had (BMW 530e xDrive Touring), she used to have 3-4 different Mercedes E-klass diesels (the latest E‑klass 220d 4Matic), and 3-4 different Volvo V70 petrol station wagons before that. She was not happy with the hybrid. Not that it did not work well (it had none of the problems described here for the Honda Clarity), but that it had less space for cargo due to the double drive trains, and also that it had a short range, both on petrol and on battery. It was a compromise that was neither good att being a gasoline car, and not as an EV.
I can see that hybrids can make sense for some special use cases, and for other people (we all have different needs and requirements on our cars), but generally I would recommend going directly for a pure EV instead (or stay with a pure ICE-car). But that might be a little bit of controversial opinion, especially in a thread dedicated to a hybrid car, so I hope I do not offend anyone (that is not my intention).
Yes, and a PHEV isn’t one of them. It attempts to do 2 jobs and doesn’t do a great job of either.
Initially, I was a fan of the idea and held out hope that the Ramcharger might be the ultimate solution. It’ll probably never get made and after owning 2 PHEV’s over the past 7 years I’ve determined that they just aren’t worth owning.
The Clarity was reliable but had an extensive list of annoying characteristics. The Jeep was unreliable but a pleasure to drive when functioning. I prefer reliable and pleasurable along with simple operation that doesn’t require switching modes, micromanaging charge cycles or data analytics. I have more important things to waste my time on.
David Towle
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The Clarity is a great vehicle and I prefer driving it to our Tesla Y. It cost about 40% of the Tesla (5 years between), rides and handles better, doesn't rattle, is much better to fuel for long trips, and costs half as much to insure. Only 2 problems to me: it should have been a hatchback, and that damn crap cruise control.
martinot
2023 MINI Cooper SE F56 LCI2
I have not tried the Clarity myself, so I cannot compare which is best driving/performance characteristics compared to a Tesla Model Y.
Otherwise, I love our Model 3, for its superior driving and performance. A really great fun car to drive hard and actively.
Yes, just like our Mini Cooper F56, I have some rattles and squeaks in it as well (our M3 from 2021 is a USA/California made one, and not the higher quality builds from China or Germany). Love the superior handling and great chassi of it.
The big downside of our M3, is just like for you with your Clarity, that it is not a hatchback. It has some large storage areas, but it is very impractical to load and transport things in.
That said, my post in the thread was not a brand war or religious one of Honda vs Tesla. It was a comment about ICE, Hybrid vs pure BEV.
That was exactly (to try to avoid comments like yours) that I had the example of our BMW hybrid vs our BMW BEV.
BMW vs BMW (not Honda vs Tesla).
I personally think hybrids, genrally, is a really bad concept for most. I do not like hybrids at all, and they are really bad for the environment compared to the marketing and PR speak they make about them. Muche better, for both yourself and the environment, to go for a pure BEV instead. Hybrids are generally a very much compromised car, which is not good at anything.