Kona EV vs Model X P90DL

David Green said:
So its 50 Minutes in a Kona, or 81 minutes in a Bolt, lets say those are the same chargers, which I do not think they are. A difference of 31 minutes, and 6 charges or a 1K mile trip, so 3 hours slower in Bolt... Thats really not that bad, especially when you take off the time for eating, sleeping, etc..
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It doesn't work that way. DCFC is charged by the minute. No one sitting there paying 20 cent a minute to get only 22kW. Most people will charge up to 57% and leave.

The Kona EV will deliver 48kW up to 74%.
 
ekutter said:
You totally missed the point on my Bolt comment. And besides, charging of the Kona around here (and much of the world) would be pretty much exactly the same as the Bolt. Someday, yes, but not today.

The key in your second statement is "a Tesla". This article, and you, are comparing the best Hyundai to the worst Tesla for this situation, on a tailor made route for the Kona. The Kona doing this route is an achievement, yes. But it is in no way showing Hyundai has a better BEV than Tesla.

I can't argue with the price point. If that is the argument, comparing it to a Model X period is kind of ridiculous.
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Where are you going on your 1K mile trip? Lets look at charging infrastructure..
 
JyChevyVolt said:
It doesn't work that way. DCFC is charged by the minute. No one sitting there paying 20 cent a minute to get only 22kW. Most people will charge up to 57% and leave.
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You might be speaking of your charging priorities... I never look at gas prices when I fuel up, I go where it is convenient when I need gas. I am a time pincher, not a penny pincher.
 
David Green said:
I honestly do not even pay attention.... I need fuel, and someone has it, I need to pay what they want for it... No reason to look and worry about it...
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That's just you.

On Electrify America the Bolt will cost $29 for 166 miles.

I'll just drive a gas car at those prices.
 
JyChevyVolt said:
That's just you.

On Electrify America the Bolt will cost $29 for 166 miles.

I'll just drive a gas car at those prices.
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Show me your calculations for that price on Electrify America? Thats great... I want EV's road charging to be pricey, so there are not lurkers hanging out there for free, when I come in to charge...
 
Obviously, pricing can be a tricky path to walk. Too cheap and the owner of the network loses money, and maybe attracts unnecessary usage. Too high and some you potentially slow the transition to electric, as many people's transport decision is financially based.
 
Domenick said:
Obviously, pricing can be a tricky path to walk. Too cheap and the owner of the network loses money, and maybe attracts unnecessary usage. Too high and some you potentially slow the transition to electric, as many people's transport decision is financially based.
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Exactly right... I would rather see EA start a bit on the high side, as I am hoping this is a very profitable operation with a premium product, that way it continues to grow and expand. Since VW gets to start the network using house money this could turn into a very strong subsidiary for them, especially in light of their massive commitment to building BEV's...
 
Hi,

Don't forget to include the charging networks:
Pushmi-Pullyu said:
I guess that shows how little I know about the Kona. :) I keep thinking I should read up on it, since it seems to be in the EV news a lot lately.
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For any sort of highway driving beyond the battery range, an EV has to use a fast DC charging network:
https://insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?threads/buying-an-ev-and-charging-network.2750/

Given 90% of our EV miles are local on home and free chargers:
Domenick said:
Obviously, pricing can be a tricky path to walk. Too cheap and the owner of the network loses money, and maybe attracts unnecessary usage. Too high and some you potentially slow the transition to electric, as many people's transport decision is financially based.
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I don't get too worked up over out of town charging rates. They are a lot cheaper than property taxes, tags, and insurance on a second car or rental dedicated to highway travel.

Bob Wilson
 
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Why charging duration matter? You are basically a captive audience while charging. Some charging spots have nothing ne
David Green said:
Show me your calculations for that price on Electrify America? Thats great... I want EV's road charging to be pricey, so there are not lurkers hanging out there for free, when I come in to charge...
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$1 connection fee plus $0.35 per minute.
 
JyChevyVolt said:
That's just you.

On Electrify America the Bolt will cost $29 for 166 miles.

I'll just drive a gas car at those prices.
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Except 95% of the time I'm paying closer to 2.5c / mile. Happy to pay a premium for those 4 or 5 times a year I need to charge away from home. But since neither the Kona nor the Bolt would work for a road trip for me, this is a non issue.

David, route will be from Bend, OR to Scottsdale, AZ. Using the Tesla planner, it'd be about 24hours of driving plus charging, depending on Tesla model (model 3 was my only consideration vs the Bolt I ordered). Can't find a decent route for the Bolt (or Kona). Maybe you know the tools better. Even just making a trip to Portland will be interesting. I can get there easily in the Bolt, but the choices for fast chargers for getting home are hit and miss. Many of them seem to be out of order, and if they are working, there are only going to be one or two plugs so could have to wait. That's where Tesla with their super chargers makes road trips doable around here. So instead, I'll hold my nose after my Volvo XC60 T8 drains its battery 20 miles out of town and uses gas the rest of the way when we go to Scottsdale.
 
Taking either a Bolt or Model 3 on a trip like that is something you would only do to have an "experience". EV's no matter which one you buy are not time efficient for a long road trip. I would never plan to go further then 2 charge stops from home, as I am tool old (and family is too impatient) to sit at changers and make youtube videos.
 
ekutter said:
from Bend, OR to Scottsdale, AZ
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I used PlugShare tweaked for a Model 3 with 299 mi (maximum in PlugShare) with SuperCharger and CHAdeMO. It shows 1,125 mi and within the Model 3 range. Add charging time, and I would probably consider getting a room midway to take a nap ... or nap in the car at chargers.

I repeated it using the Bolt specs and it would not work along the direct path. It might be possible driving West and trying to go through California but it would not be pleasant. Same for the I-Pace and Kona. A massive fail because they can not use the SuperCharger and CHAdeMO networks.

Bob Wilson
 
bwilson4web said:
I used PlugShare tweaked for a Model 3 with 299 mi (maximum in PlugShare) with SuperCharger and CHAdeMO. It shows 1,125 mi and within the Model 3 range. Add charging time, and I would probably consider getting a room midway to take a nap ... or nap in the car at chargers.

I repeated it using the Bolt specs and it would not work along the direct path. It might be possible driving West and trying to go through California but it would not be pleasant. Same for the I-Pace and Kona. A massive fail because they can not use the SuperCharger and CHAdeMO networks.

Bob Wilson
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It appears Electrify America will have that route open in Phase 1, just in time for next summer.
Electrify America.webp
 
bwilson4web said:
I used PlugShare tweaked for a Model 3 with 299 mi (maximum in PlugShare) with SuperCharger and CHAdeMO. It shows 1,125 mi and within the Model 3 range. Add charging time, and I would probably consider getting a room midway to take a nap ... or nap in the car at chargers.

I repeated it using the Bolt specs and it would not work along the direct path. It might be possible driving West and trying to go through California but it would not be pleasant. Same for the I-Pace and Kona. A massive fail because they can not use the SuperCharger and CHAdeMO networks.

Bob Wilson
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That's what I figured. I never really even considered it in the Bolt, although a fun excercise. Our plans are to spend the month of February down there like we did this year and it would have been really nice to have a BEV while there. This past February we did it with the Volvo almost brand new. Here in Bend, 20 miles per charge covers most of our driving. Down there, it's hard to go anywhere under 20 miles round trip and our daily charger was just 110v. With the impatience of the wife, even the best Tesla wouldn't quite do it for us yet. But by the time we are ready to trade in the Volvo, both the BEV options and the charging infrastructure will make going 100% BEV an easy choice.
 
ekutter said:
That's what I figured. I never really even considered it in the Bolt, although a fun excercise. Our plans are to spend the month of February down there like we did this year and it would have been really nice to have a BEV while there. This past February we did it with the Volvo almost brand new. Here in Bend, 20 miles per charge covers most of our driving. Down there, it's hard to go anywhere under 20 miles round trip and our daily charger was just 110v. With the impatience of the wife, even the best Tesla wouldn't quite do it for us yet. But by the time we are ready to trade in the Volvo, both the BEV options and the charging infrastructure will make going 100% BEV an easy choice.
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Going down in February? Golf or Baseball?
 
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