InsideEVs Podcast episodes

DJP said:
Episode 68 is excellent. Really enjoyed it, especially the first part with Dan O'Shea of ABB --a great learning podcast!
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Thanks! I was worried the conversation might be too dry, but we've been getting positive feedback.
I've also just noticed I've neglected to add the past two episodes here. D'oh!

Episode 67.


Episode 68!
 
ericy said:
Well, they are tending to talk about stuff that is new or in the works. They don't talk much about any models that are in production unless there is a big problem of some sort.
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You mean like the new 2022 bolt EUV? may have 3 year old battery nd charging tech, but everything else is on par with other new EVS

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There is no way a $2500 credit for union made could possibly be legal. It is purely a bribe to the unions to keep voting for dems.

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Insights gained:
  • German EV makers design their cars act like automatic transmission ICE.
  • Munro analysis, under the sheet metal, has no effect on these reviewers. A retired engineer, I want to know how the guts works.
I had figured out that "Alex" reviews were and remain totally superficial. He is not the only one but such 'eye candy' reviewers should not be treated as an example to emulate ... for my time and recommendations.

Bob Wilson
 
Managed to watch another episode (at 1.5 speed). I still say these are too long for the content covered. But I did hear some interesting points.

Seems like the Taycan is a real fav with these guys. Interesting what was said about the VW upper execs downgrading some aspects of the Audis to protect Porsche's position of top luxury brand. Made a lot of sense, though, to buy a 2 or 3 year old Taycan after the big depreciation years.

And I agree with the comments about needing a cheaper EV. That $25K China Tesla could do well here. Remember the venerable VW Beetle of the 60s? Or how the Japanese stole the small cheap car US market in the 70's from the big 3? That first Honda Civic/CVCC was quite a hit. We need something like this now here, to help us achieve that 50% EV sales by the end of the decade.

You guys ever think of bringing on a non-EV car enthusiast to your panel? Need some mainstream perspective, and not just preaching to the choir.
 
R P said:
Managed to watch another episode (at 1.5 speed). I still say these are too long for the content covered. But I did hear some interesting points.

Seems like the Taycan is a real fav with these guys. Interesting what was said about the VW upper execs downgrading some aspects of the Audis to protect Porsche's position of top luxury brand. Made a lot of sense, though, to buy a 2 or 3 year old Taycan after the big depreciation years.

And I agree with the comments about needing a cheaper EV. That $25K China Tesla could do well here. Remember the venerable VW Beetle of the 60s? Or how the Japanese stole the small cheap car US market in the 70's from the big 3? That first Honda Civic/CVCC was quite a hit. We need something like this now here, to help us achieve that 50% EV sales by the end of the decade.

You guys ever think of bringing on a non-EV car enthusiast to your panel? Need some mainstream perspective, and not just preaching to the choir.
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I definitely like the Taycan. I've loved the styling from the concept forward and finally had a chance to drive one a while back. Wasn't the Turbo S but still pretty punchy. It rides and handles nicely - a real joy to drive. Way out of my budget, of course, but I think it's important to have premium, aspirational cars be electric. Helps to sell the EV ownership to people with much more modest budgets.

It's a challenge to get automakers serious about selling lower-cost cars. They're for-profit businesses and make a lot more margin on larger vehicles. They're very happy to sell the dream of crossovers in advertising and then insist they only build them because that's what consumers want.

Regarding a non-EV car enthusiast guest, Kyle fits that description. He clearly likes EVs, but he also likes traditional vehicles very much. We've also had Chris Bruce on from Motor1 and may have other Motor1 contributors on as well.
 
The Tesla "Impact" report includes some compare and contrast with other EVs which it calls out by name. I look forward to hearing the team views on these Tesla statements. The rest of the 94 page report is also rich with subject matter.

An annual report, do any of the other EV makers do something similar? For me, this report is the layman's version of the financials that we will soon see.

Bob Wilson
 
Domenick said:
It's a challenge to get automakers serious about selling lower-cost cars. They're for-profit businesses and make a lot more margin on larger vehicles. They're very happy to sell the dream of crossovers in advertising and then insist they only build them because that's what consumers want.
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I think that is very true, with higher profits on more expensive cars, with lots of expensive options. But like before it took off-shore competitors to wake up the domestic big 3 (now only 2) with filling the need for cheaper cars. That may happen again, if they allow Chinese cars to be sold here.

The other issue is cost, and battery components cost nearly the same for a cheap car as a luxury car. So hard to make a profit on a cheap electric car when that is the most expensive part of a BEV. Hopefully that will change in the future. But even a 100 mile range cheap car for local driving/commuting would be enough for many as a 2nd car. Most households cannot get by with just one car.
 
bwilson4web said:
One question raise was 'why not a Model 3 Long Range'? The answer is found:
https://www.epa.gov/compliance-and-fuel-economy-data/data-cars-used-testing-fuel-economy
  • Model: Std Rng Plus Model 3 / Long Range AWD
  • Weight Lbs: 3875 / 4250
  • HP: 265 / 393
  • MPG: 178.2 / 170.1
The lighter, Std Rng Plus Model 3 is more efficient per mile than the Long Range AWD Model 3.

Bob Wilson
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Right. I understand why they choose the Model 3 SR, I just would have also like to see the Long Range in there as well, since that is as likely to be cross-shopped against the others mentioned. In my book, it would be ok if the cost of ownership was a bit higher than the gas cars, since it offers more performance and better environmental footprint than the combustion cars. And, maybe it's also less expensive, I don't know.
 
Domenick said:
the Long Range in there as well, since that is as likely to be cross-shopped against the others
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I'm OK with this as my Std Rng Plus Model 3 is the VW bug version of the Tesla line. Yet it is much more comfortable and capable than the Toyota Prius Prime traded-in for the Model 3. I just wanted to add engineering insights for the community.

I'm not throwing shade as much as sharing what this retired engineer looks for:
  • light weight - always better
  • adequate power - nice but excess power means shorter range
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Just watched #72, at 1.5 speed again. I didn't find much to disagree with, except the part about RWD vs FWD in snow. I grew up in snow country, and have had both. Obviously these guys don't have much experience driving in 1 ft deep snow going up to a ski hill. Only place RWD is better is on pavement and on a track.

I agreed with their sentiments about the Ioniq 5. Better looking and more functional/practical than all the rest in that category. Very feature rich. Biggest problem will be supply meeting demand, and volumes in NA will be limited. Reminds me of when the Kona first came out. In Canada, in 2019, pre-orders eta went up to 8+ months there for a while.

And yup, GM sure messed up their eventual battery replacements. And now I hear it affects newer Bolt models as well, incl the EUV. That is bad, bad, bad...

I agree what was said about the GV60. Doesn't seem to match the luxury legacy of the Genesis brand. I don't get it...

And the Tesla bot, yeah, just a recruiting exercise by Musk, and deflection from their current problems with Autopilot.
 
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