honda clarity touring level 2 charger
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DVoran
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Anybody having trouble connecting the mobile VersiChargeSG app yesterday and today? Seems like the web site is down as I can’t load data on the app, PC website or anything. Was working fine Thursday and for the last few months.
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Who did you use for the install? My quote is much higher than yours. I am also in SoCal.
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I installed a Siemens Versicharge. It costed $485 from Amazon. I installed the 240V outlet, and ran the wires myself. It was a 15 foot run from the panel to the outlet, and only costed about $60 in parts. I found the charger to be about 92% efficient. The EVSE that came with the car, using the 120V outlet, was about 80% efficient. That reduced efficient was mainly due to the car having to run a fan to cool the battery during recharging, as I live in a very hot location.
I am in Ottawa. Quotes like that made it an easy choice to do the install myself. Total install cost me $120 and an afternoon of my time.
But I wouldn’t recommend doing it yourself unless you have experience doing electrical.
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KentuckyKen
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You might consider doing what I did. I bought the wire and breaker (direct connect EVSE sodidnt need the receptacle) then drilled holes and ran the wire to the breaker box. Then had licensed electrician hook it up at the box. Only had to pay his one hour sevice call fee, it’s done to code, and I have a receipt to prove it to my insurance company If there is ever question over a related claim. I think this is is the cheapest way us non electricians can get this done properly.
I considered that but all electricians say they know you get a $500 rebate towards install so they want their regular rate PLUS the $500 rebate.
So doing the install myself and have the electrician just connect the wires would still have cost me $750 plus $120 for materials.
I have the code handbook so I did the install all to code regardless. But saved a ton. But I do have lots of electrical experience.
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KentuckyKen
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Glad you got it done correctly and got to keep the rebate.
Your electricians are running a RICO scam! That’s terrible. It’s extortion. If they want the $500 rebate tell them to apply for it. They can’t. That proves it’s not for them. The rebate was made for consumers not installers.
Your electricians are running a RICO scam! That’s terrible. It’s extortion. If they want the $500 rebate tell them to apply for it. They can’t. That proves it’s not for them. The rebate was made for consumers not installers.
Dan Albrich
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So I decided to get a "portable" charger -- "
Jekayla Level 2 40 Amp Portable Electric Vehicle Charger Plug-in EV Charger EV Charging Station for Home, RV Park and Travel, NEMA 14-50 Plug"
My breaker box is in my garage on same wall as my car's charger. My plan is pay electrician to install NEMA 14-50 plug like 1 foot from the panel or whatever short distance makes sense.
So my question: I presume I'll likely ask for 40Amp capable plug. I also assume the car can draw 30. i.e. it doesn't have to match. The EVSE will draw the 30 from a 40amp plug correct? Assuming that's all true, should I ask for 50amp? If they come back and say my panel will only support 30amp for some reason, since I plan to actually use 30amps is that OK?
I don't really know electrical. I want to get a level 2 and not spend and arm and a leg. There is no discount or rebate in my area for these, it's all out of pocket.
-Dan
Jekayla Level 2 40 Amp Portable Electric Vehicle Charger Plug-in EV Charger EV Charging Station for Home, RV Park and Travel, NEMA 14-50 Plug"
My breaker box is in my garage on same wall as my car's charger. My plan is pay electrician to install NEMA 14-50 plug like 1 foot from the panel or whatever short distance makes sense.
So my question: I presume I'll likely ask for 40Amp capable plug. I also assume the car can draw 30. i.e. it doesn't have to match. The EVSE will draw the 30 from a 40amp plug correct? Assuming that's all true, should I ask for 50amp? If they come back and say my panel will only support 30amp for some reason, since I plan to actually use 30amps is that OK?
I don't really know electrical. I want to get a level 2 and not spend and arm and a leg. There is no discount or rebate in my area for these, it's all out of pocket.
-Dan
Did you buy the EVSE yet? I would wait until you have an electrician look at it and tell you what the max Amp it can draw. If you put a 14-50 in, you have to use a 50A breaker if you want to follow code. You can use an EVSE up to 80% of the breaker. So if you want to install a 14-30, you can use up to a 24A EVSE.
jdonalds
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By the way the JuiceBox Pro 40 can be portable if it is the plug-in version. The case slips over a bracket which is bolted to the wall. It can be easily lifted out of the bracket. It is also possible to make the JuiceBox more permanent by installing one more screw which locks it in place.
bpratt
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I have the Jekayla Level 2 40 Amp Charger installed for 11 months and it has worked perfectly. It does require a NEMA 14-50 plug and will provide up to 40 Amp of power of which the Clarity will use about 30. When I purchased the Jekayla, it only came with a 16 foot cable which was great for my needs but too short for a lot of people. The new Jekayla now has a 25 foot cable so if you need more than 16 feet, make sure you are receiving the newer model.
In order to provide the 30 amps of power the Clarity will draw, you need at least a 40 amp breaker.
In order to provide the 30 amps of power the Clarity will draw, you need at least a 40 amp breaker.
Dan Albrich, My level 2 JuiceBox Pro 40 is a 40 amp which works fine with the Clarity. I have it about 1 foot from the 220V outlet as you suggest.
I have the same JuiceBox. Works very well. Bought on Amazon and had a neighbor/electrician install in my garage. The app is good but not ‘regionalized’ for where I live (MA).
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Nope. Perfectly acceptable to use a 14-50 on a 40A circuit.
Also acceptable to forego the neutral and use just 2 hots + ground to a 14-50R for a dedicated EVSE install.
Not sure what you're trying to say, but the OP is asking if he can ask the electrician to install a 14-50 for a 40A EVSE. The electrician will only install a 50A breaker for that to follow NEC code. Can you put a 40A breaker on there? Yes, but it's not following code.Nope. Perfectly acceptable to use a 14-50 on a 40A circuit.
Also acceptable to forego the neutral and use just 2 hots + ground to a 14-50R for a dedicated EVSE install.
NEC 210.21(B) explicitly allows a 50 amp receptacle on a 40 amp circuit. From the referenced chart, you can see it is OK to use a 40 or 50 A receptacle (there is no 40A receptacle).
If you believe doing so would violate the NEC, I'd like to see a reference to the specific section.
KentuckyKen
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I think what @Electra is getting at is not that the 14-50 receptacle can’t be used in a 40 Amp circuit, but that the 40 Amp EVSE needs a 50 Amp circuit not a 40 Amp one. Using the 80% rule for continuous draw, then 80% of 50 Amps is 40 Amps and all is well. Same reason I had to use a 40 Amp circuit for my 32 Amp EVSE.
Hope this helps and if not please accept my apology in advance.
BTW, @DucRider, great info from the NEC; I copied it to my files.
Hope this helps and if not please accept my apology in advance.
BTW, @DucRider, great info from the NEC; I copied it to my files.
bpratt
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I disagree. The Clarity will only draw about 30 amps regardless of the amount of power the EVSE is capable of.