Unitarians

[R P]

First came the Spirit followed by study. Then confirmation from following and observing the effects of how Jesus taught us to live.

The virtues taught by Jesus brings us closer to ithe Kingdom of God.

Bob Wilson

I know people will tend to believe what they want. But when talking about going to heaven, wouldn't it be important to understand exactly what Jesus says about that? IE you must accept him as saviour as outlined above. Is that included in what you believe?

 

[bwilson4web]

I know people will tend to believe what they want. But when talking about going to heaven, wouldn't it be important to understand exactly what Jesus says about that? IE you must accept him as saviour as outlined above. Is that included in what you believe?

Good points, let's address them:

• "What Jesus says about that?" - correct but we have a problem with the technology for recording what Jesus said. So I use:
  • multiple contemporaneous sources that say effectively the same thing
  • apostles writings are nice but just another interpretation
• "accept him as savior" - which is a construct not seen in Jesus quotes. He speaks of the "Kingdom of God" without any evidence of when and where except by living the life he taught us to live.
• "what you believe?" - God is; Jesus taught us how to live to bring the Kingdomw of God; what happens after death is less important than what we do in this life.

Bob Wilson

 

[R P]

Good points, let's address them:

• "What Jesus says about that?" - correct but we have a problem with the technology for recording what Jesus said. So I use:
  • multiple contemporaneous sources that say effectively the same thing
  • apostles writings are nice but just another interpretation
• "accept him as savior" - which is a construct not seen in Jesus quotes. He speaks of the "Kingdom of God" without any evidence of when and where except by living the life he taught us to live.
• "what you believe?" - God is; Jesus taught us how to live to bring the Kingdomw of God; what happens after death is less important than what we do in this life.

Bob Wilson

Re 2nd point, you're right, can't expect that as a Jesus quote as he is not dead yet. But other scriptures explain that he died and rose up, for our sins and believing and accepting that is our path to heaven. Since I am far from any expert on the scriptures, would like to hear from SD to explain that further.

I take it from your response you believe what you want, but not necessarily accept the whole Bible, in particular the apostles' Books and their interpretations.

 

[bwilson4web]

The spirit you are communicating with has 'told' you that faith in Christ isn't necessary for salvation. Just 'following the teachings of Jesus', which somehow excludes the first 4 commandments and the 7th commandment.

Either trolling or just complete ignorance to what Jesus actually taught. Genuinely have no clue how someone can read scripture and come back believing what you do.

The "Sprit" is sensing a fraction of the Devine. It does not speak or write but touches my soul and happiness.

Theology is found in books, essays, and sermons. It is how we combine sparse spruces into a coherent view of "What is the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything?" But too often we find a tautology, the same thing twice in different words of John 3:16.

I take it from your response you believe what you want, but not necessarily accept the whole Bible, in particular the apostles' Books and their interpretations.

I note that there are Christians on both sides of conflicts citing what they believe justifies their point of view. Same source but opposite actions.

So I prefer empirical observations of what was taught and what is done.

Bob Wilson