Tires (Summer/Winter/All-Season)

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LittleWoods said:
How much worse will the performance loss be from true winter tires vs all-seasons? I'm planning on switching tires based on the season either way, but thought going with an all-season option may be a way to make it less painful and still have decent traction in the winter.
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My averages (mostly the same route) with different tires are:
  • OEM 16" summer Hankooks: 4.7 mi/kWh
  • 17" BFG Comp 2 all seasons: 3.8mi/kWh
  • 16" X-ICE Snow winter tires: 3.5 mi/kWh
The all seasons are a high performance tire with an aftermarket rim so have worse efficiency than they otherwise would but the winter tire also was only used in much lower temperature so they probably come out about even
 
LittleWoods said:
How much worse will the performance loss be from true winter tires vs all-seasons?
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My "bone-chilling" experiment that @insightman referenced showed very little performance loss on my 16" Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 winter tires, the heater is the cause of most of the range loss. I don't know how other winter tires fare, nor all-seasons. I would think if they're designed for EVs (like the Nokians) they shouldn't cause too much loss of range.

(One note, the SE battery is very hardy in winter conditions. You're more likely to see a loss of e-power than a loss of actual range due to extreme cold.)
 
Puppethead said:
My "bone-chilling" experiment that @insightman referenced showed very little performance loss on my 16" Nokian Hakkapeliitta R3 winter tires, the heater is the cause of most of the range loss. I don't know how other winter tires fare, nor all-seasons. I would think if they're designed for EVs (like the Nokians) they shouldn't cause too much loss of range.

(One note, the SE battery is very hardy in winter conditions. You're more likely to see a loss of e-power than a loss of actual range due to extreme cold.)
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I'll track it next time when it gets below -35F. It's probably in the 2.1 mi/kWh range compared to 4.84mi/kWh at -3F. It's a little more difficult with extra snow/ice covering the roads compared to dry pavement.
 
I have a silly question for you guys (might respond slow because I'm at work..)

When I ordered my Mini SE, I bought the floating caps option for kicks and giggles and I like them but the ride is a bit firm on the 17" wheels and those summer tires will not do well in the Utah winter..

What's nice is the factory put four stock mini center caps in my glovebox for free (Thank you Mini/BMW) so my thinking is to use https://www.originalwheels.com/ to buy some 16" victory spoke wheels and buy some Continental winter tires and some TPMS sensors and I'd be good to go.. (I have been lurking ebay..)

Question is.. when I was going to buy a friend of mine swore up and down I should get run-flat version of those tires... I worked years ago at a car dealership and I remember lifting those run flats...H-E-A-V-Y... and the sidewall is stiff...yes the car is heavy but..the tires I found are XL rated... I know this is a preference question but do any of you enjoy run flats ride wise? Prefer non-run flat ride quality? I think 16" normal winter tires would ride better (yes run-flats have their pro's as far as limping home..course they're more expensive...) Just curious what you guys think? Thanks!
 
Matt007b said:
I know this is a preference question but do any of you enjoy run flats ride wise? Prefer non-run flat ride quality?
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I have run flats on my 2014 S Clubman (all-season for spring/summer/fall, snow for winter). I'm pretty happy with the run flats, but the snow run flats are really noisy and I won't go with the same brand for my next set of winter tires.

For my SE I do not use run flats, largely because run flats are noisy tires and it'd be really noticeable in the quiet SE. The SE does come with the tire repair kit, so if you get a flat you can inject the goo. I think it comes down to what your tolerance for risking a flat is. I do think run flats have gotten quite a bit better over the last few years.
 
Puppethead said:
I have run flats on my 2014 S Clubman (all-season for spring/summer/fall, snow for winter). I'm pretty happy with the run flats, but the snow run flats are really noisy and I won't go with the same brand for my next set of winter tires.

For my SE I do not use run flats, largely because run flats are noisy tires and it'd be really noticeable in the quiet SE. The SE does come with the tire repair kit, so if you get a flat you can inject the goo. I think it comes down to what your tolerance for risking a flat is. I do think run flats have gotten quite a bit better over the last few years.
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Thanks for the response! Yeah after doing mass research on boards and youtube it sounds like.. run-flats can be pretty annoying noise wise and ride wise... I'll brainstorm and think about it.. but thank you for sharing your experience :)
 
insightman said:
There are at least three factors contributing to my winter range reduction:
  • lower temperatures affecting the battery performance
  • use of the heat pump and (shudder) the resistive heater
  • the greater rolling resistance of winter tires
I can't control the temperatures without moving out of Michigan. I'm a creature of comfort so I won't be attempting bone-chilling, open-window experiments like @Puppethead. I really appreciate my Michelin X-Ice winter tires that ensure I can go and stop in the snow (as long as it isn't deeper than my SE's ground clearance). They're not as noisy as the Nokian Hakkdkskslkdlfa (too lazy to look up the actual spelling) winter tires I swap onto my Honda Clarity Plug-In Hybrid, but Michelin doesn't appear sell the exact ones I have anymore).
I’m driving in NY since I retired In 2006 always with second set of winter Blizzaks on Wv diesel 2001 Kia hamster mobile Soul 2011 is manual transmission on both cars and I 3 with Blizzaks too . Diesel with 10000 miles
Kia 75000 I found out with not so harsh winter here I benefit from right setting always once temperatures are below 45’ Like you don’t walk with flippers in winter wear a real shoes the same with winter tires and summer tires last twice longer is worth to invest if you keep car for 5/6 years . Recently I bough takes off from 22SE with 3000 miles Hankooks as I don’t need tires I need those Victory spokes for my winter setting and my choice for tires is Nokian WR H 4 on Amazon $80 with snow flakes star .My Hankooks is for sale $300/4 7B049B3C-4010-4180-A1E7-7B588A45CC5A.webp


I enjoy the initially unnerving, but interesting high-tech experience of driving my SE in the snow with the default anti-wheelspin traction-control engaged. When I floor the accelerator in the snow, instead of leaping forward, as it does on dry pavement, and instead of spinning the front wheels, as my previous FWD cars have done, my SE just creeps forward--I assume--at the maximum acceleration possible given the available traction of my winter tires.

What does an SE with summer performance tires do in the snow? Does it just sit there, unmoving, while the traction-control refuses to allow any wheelspin whatsoever?
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Rexsio said:
I lower a price for my Hankooks to $250 for 4 to be competitive with Walmart $700 for 4
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Bc I’m driving my EVs basically alone I Carry full size spare tire in I 3 for six years and never used once Ma st Be a Murphy low but I carry plugs compressor and jack I know how to fix a crab in 5 minutes which i3 happened 3 times in 6 years SE carry in back sits down full size spare with beautiful rim last one on Tire Rack for $80 and cheep tire from Walmart $50 bc I don’t want to be dependent of any road service I do much faster before service show up in 2 HR.And for a joke I checked tire pressure and I still carry air from Oxford within 1 lbs difference on all tires up to specifications.
 
teslarati97 said:
I'll track it next time when it gets below -35F. It's probably in the 2.1 mi/kWh range compared to 4.84mi/kWh at -3F. It's a little more difficult with extra snow/ice covering the roads compared to dry pavement.
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An electric car as SE don’t belong to weather minus 38 F or you keep a car in garage to go a mile to pic up a beer They useless in cold climates and have a look how many are sold in California 90 % or on east coast with mild winter few .Driving in NY in 8 months I see nothing no SE and I 3 in6 years nothing here on East Coast.
 
Rexsio said:
An electric car as SE don’t belong to weather minus 38 F or you keep a car in garage to go a mile to pic up a beer They useless in cold climates and have a look how many are sold in California 90 % or on east coast with mild winter few .Driving in NY in 8 months I see nothing no SE and I 3 in6 years nothing here on East Coast.
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Upstate of you, I occasionally see those temperature in NYS. The SE is still very functional. As others have noted, it’s mostly about loss of propulsion power. But you don’t want a lot of power at the wheels in those temps - slow and steady is the name of the game and the SE (really any EV) excels at precise application of torque to pavement (or snow and ice)


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SameGuy said:
I texted my tire guy this morning to reserve me a set of Hakkapeliitta R5s in the 195/55R16 size, and I’d drop off the Hankook run-flat-shod Victory Spokes one of these days, and he could get around to them “whenever.” He replied that the R5s in my size are in stock and he could get them tomorrow. I did some storm cleanup for an elderly neighbour, then loaded the winter wheels in the Crapolla and headed over after lunch. The Hakkas were already there! My tire guy is THE BEST.

The R5’s tread is substantially more aggressive than the R3’s, and the sipes look like they’ll channel more water to the shoulders. The shoulders are also more square than on the R3, closer to the shoulders on the Hakka 8/9/10. While I’m not looking forward to winter, I’m anticipating that these tires will easily handle anything a Montreal winter can throw at them.
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Did you have TPMS sensors installed? I’m planning to go with R5’s as well so thanks for sharing the photo and first impressions.
 
-Amanda said:
Did you have TPMS sensors installed? I’m planning to go with R5’s as well so thanks for sharing the photo and first impressions.
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Yup, $60 each installed and coded to my make/model/year. That works out cheaper than if I bought similar sensors online and a coding device, and I didn’t have to do the work.
 
Another great video from Tyre Reviews, focused on tires for snow & ice:


Spoiler alert: All 3 of the most popular snow tires we have discussed for the SE (Continental ContiVikingContact 7, Michelin X-Ice Snow, and Nokian Hakkapeliitta R5) were rated "the best".
 
Thanks for posting that. I intentionally live where I don't need a dedicated hard-core winter tire. My "winter" tires are a good "all season" with great wet traction and pretty good snow and ice. We only really get snow and ice a few times a year and mostly we don't need to drive in it. So the A/S are great for 4 months or so when we have consistently cold and wet temps where the stock summer tires are not appropriate.

Rob
 
Yeah, even though I found a set of MINI alloys for my “Nordic winter tires,” I’m still keeping an eye open for another set on which to mount “transitional” or “intermediate” tires, such as an all weather tire that wouldn’t be scary in full winter conditions early or late in the season, but wouldn’t wear out quickly should I have to drive on dry pavement during unseasonably warm weather spells.
 
SameGuy said:
Yeah, even though I found a set of MINI alloys for my “Nordic winter tires,” I’m still keeping an eye open for another set on which to mount “transitional” or “intermediate” tires, such as an all weather tire that wouldn’t be scary in full winter conditions early or late in the season, but wouldn’t wear out quickly should I have to drive on dry pavement during unseasonably warm weather spells.
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MichaelC said:
Another great video from Tyre Reviews, focused on tires for snow & ice:


Spoiler alert: All 3 of the most popular snow tires we have discussed for the SE (Continental ContiVikingContact 7, Michelin X-Ice Snow, and Nokian Hakkapeliitta R5) were rated "the best".
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Thanks! I love having my decisions confirmed, just ordered a set of Nokian Hakkapeliitta R5s.
 
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