Lars
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What a bloody mass! My 2021 was built in June 17, 2020. It had a new HV battery put in at the end of 2020. It has blue coolant - just double checked. Hyundai dealers are all confused to.
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What a bloody mass! My 2021 was built in June 17, 2020. It had a new HV battery put in at the end of 2020. It has blue coolant - just double checked. Hyundai dealers are all confused to.
$110 is the ballpark price for labor only quoted by several dealerships, roughly an hour. The majority of the cost was the coolant itself. The procedure looked similar to how coolant is changed on a gas car, but pumps are switched on and off via a tablet to drain and burp the coolant. Time will tell if one hour is realistic to do this job once dealerships get good at it. I'll find out myself in about 2 years when the next coolant change is due.
navguy12
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The dealership I went to this past fall to get a “heads up estimate” for the blue coolant r&r (due this coming August) did quote two hours labour plus cost of the fluid.
Lars
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I like the note but not the cost we have to plan for. It costs more than the oil changes we don't need. What a deal!
KiwiME
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I expect you'll get it for free. Some owners in Germany and UK are reporting being called in for a flush and coolant replacement. There's two campaign numbers I've seen, 10DC41 and 20D140.
navguy12
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Well, we got five months…
I am not expecting the replacement to be done for free, unless by that time any LC coolant issues are "considered" a safety issue and covered by recall and not just a TSB. But fingers crossed just the same.
What does bother me is if crystallization has occurred who is to say whether the chemicals involved in the blue coolant will not happen again with the same LC fluid being replaced (and hopefully fully flushing the system under pressure with all valves open will rid any existing gel type residues),
I would be a happy camper to have it replaced (including the cost of replacement) with the traditional water/glycol based (pink) formula and avoid any future issues period.
If Hyundai covered a portion of that cost that would show goodwill, just be honest and contentious about it
KiwiME
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We had the first report today from a NZ Niro EV owner being advised by their dealer that this work is required. It’s weeks away though because they have to order parts. That’s also the first time I’ve heard of the Niro being involved.
Also today, a Kona EV owner on making a service + gear oil change appointment at one of the country’s largest Hyundai dealers was asked if they were also “bringing in a magnetic drain plug” for them to install. Amazing!
What a huge step from being told that there’s “no oil in an EV” or that “it doesn’t need changing”.
Also today, a Kona EV owner on making a service + gear oil change appointment at one of the country’s largest Hyundai dealers was asked if they were also “bringing in a magnetic drain plug” for them to install. Amazing!
What a huge step from being told that there’s “no oil in an EV” or that “it doesn’t need changing”.
Lars
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I like the note but not the cost we have to plan for. It costs more than the oil changes we don't need. What a deal!
Update:
I actually went into our Hyundai dealer and asked for the cost of replacing the battery coolant. He looked up something on his computer and said C$950 + tax of course.
I found on YouTube a post "Hyundai Kona EV High Voltage Battery Replacement".
Worth watching. I noted that when replacing the old battery and disconnecting the cooling connections, while coolant is coming out and being collected the process does not seem to drain all the (blue) coolant. I have no clue what colour of coolant the car was shipped with originally. But not after the battery replacement it is now blue. It is also at MIN level - or just below. I never paid much attention to it before, now I will need to watch it.
I wish I could get Hyundai's tablet software.
Update:
I actually went into our Hyundai dealer and asked for the cost of replacing the battery coolant. He looked up something on his computer and said C$950 + tax of course.
I found on YouTube a post "Hyundai Kona EV High Voltage Battery Replacement".
Worth watching. I noted that when replacing the old battery and disconnecting the cooling connections, while coolant is coming out and being collected the process does not seem to drain all the (blue) coolant. I have no clue what colour of coolant the car was shipped with originally. But not after the battery replacement it is now blue. It is also at MIN level - or just below. I never paid much attention to it before, now I will need to watch it.
I wish I could get Hyundai's tablet software.
That doesn't seem too bad $ for replacement, I would jump all over this (get it in writing) make sure BC2 type (the newest blue)
Lars
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That doesn't seem too bad $ for replacement, I would jump all over this (get it in writing) make sure BC2 type (the newest blue)
Good points! The YouTube video shows this coolant. Can't see any BC2 on the image, but note the 'fine print' on the bottom. 'Immediately use entire content. Do not reuse old or used antifreeze.' What on earth? This implies no 'top ups'! If. for whatever reason. you need a top-up you need to buy an whole container at $$$$ and discard most of it?
Not to mention discard it HOW? I mean think GREEN!
Some more on that here .
Mine is also due for replacement this fall and that price seems affordable.
Not to be OT;
I am hoping for the newer model (2024) is available to pre-order sometime this summer, and not have to worry about it in the future with the newer design separated from the cell compartment.
The V2L (~1.8 kW) will be welcome as well as the additional interior space and updated integrated motor drive unit.
Well as a Leaf owner that's one expense I'm never going to encounter. The Leaf's lack of active thermal management means slower charging in the winter and careful monitoring of battery temp when fast charging in the summer but looking at the cost of this procedure I'm happy to put up with the inconvenience.
I might add that the added complexity of the pumps and motors means just one more system to break down and cost $$$ as the vehicle ages.
I might add that the added complexity of the pumps and motors means just one more system to break down and cost $$$ as the vehicle ages.
Lars
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I have no plans to change cars. The one I have is fine. It will be interesting to see the coolant change recommendation on the 2024. Did anyone look at Ioniq5?
Just a note regarding range. I charged last night to 100%. At 21C ambient temp the range on the Guess-O-Meter shows 488km with climate ON and 492 with climate OFF.
Had 20D140 coolant change today- free as you mentioned (Thanks Hyundai). The reservoir level is higher (just below max) than previous.
Also had the 12V battery checked, 388 CCA so my utility mode occasional top ups have been working.
They of course didn't re-attach the negative cap, but thankfully saved by my 5 cent mod ... no worries
I get my seasonal tire changes done by a local garage I have dealt with for over 30 years. He cleans and lubes the brakes usually at the same time often finding that the calipers have gotten fairly sticky with rust. Still, he only charges and extra $70 (Canadian dollars) on top of whatever else he has done for the service. Dealers here are quoting $240. Ironically I've also had brake rusting problems on the old gassers as they're not used enough. All of my cars are unsheltered outdoors and the brakes will grind first use after a couple rainy days. He fixes those up as well and admonishes me to drive them more.
Cool! How did you convince them to do that for free? Which dealership (I am willing to drive across BC to save that kind of money)?
Would this free service also apply to a 2021 Kona that originally came with blue coolant?
Thanks!
Check your build date on the doorframe label, if it falls within these dates there is no need to convince.
Mine is also a 2021 MY c/w blue coolant, any dealer with the appropriate equipment should take care of this at no charge (at least to the owner).
Mine’s going in to electriceddy’s dealer on Monday for a 60,000 service. It’s within the dates for a free change of the fluid but they are scheduling that for later because the are prioritizing those who have been getting a dash warning, and that’s fine with me. Assume other dealers may be doing the same.
In contemplating the arrival of an Ionic 5, I decided to get the scheduled maintenance costs from my dealer to compare.
The 24MY Ioniq 5 uses the 2 coolant system as I suspected, even though the Ioniq 6 utilizes a single reservoir (pink type)- same E-GMP system.
I had previously searched the Hyundai website to confirm using the VIN# on their online maintenance schedule, and confirmed the same today lifting the hoods while @ the dealer, as a new 24MY had just arrived and was parked next to an Ionic 6.
This document very kindly supplied from the service department manager Brodie:
https://docdro.id/BStfviI
This list is used for all Hyundai EVs this dealer services. The service rotates basic (1) and brake service (2) every 2 years. Brake fluid changes are 3.5 yrs, and coolant (Low conductivity- blue) 5 years - both are km rated as well.
The $269 GRU fluid change addition on that yr 10 is about double what I paid for my previous changes on my Kona EV, but seeing as the I5 has 2 of them, that makes sense. I don't expect the same issues with the improved reduction units installed on the E-GMP system.
Note from the service manger - the coolant costs are lower than previous due to shipping in larger jugs, supply of proper equipment to do the flushes and new part #s with lower prices.
I used a 10 year basis (120 months)- total cost rounded up is $3702 Cdn for the period. This also includes the 3 - $125 charges during the period for cabin air filter changes, which can be done by owner at a fraction of the listed cost.
$3702/ 10 yrs= $370 per year or $1 per day
EV without LC coolant saves $0.20 per day (ie new gen Kona EV and I6) - ($2942/ 10 yrs = $295 per year or $0.80 per day)
Change your own air filter and savings add more.
I like the Ioniq 5, its body style and AWD fits more to what is required for me, so the $0.20 per day additional scheduled maintenance costs I don't feel is going to be a factor in my decision going forward
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