Next generation (J01) MINI Cooper revealed

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MarkSasaki said:
I'm not sold on the J01 yet, even if it comes to US, it might be a while until there are aftermarket parts to modify it, I cannot leave anything alone so it is a waiting game.
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I predict Bimmercode won't work on the J01, at least not the version of Bimmercode we have.

Perhaps there's a GWMmercode app already available in China?
 
insightman said:
I predict Bimmercode won't work on the J01, at least not the version of Bimmercode we have.

Perhaps there's a GWMmercode app already available in China?
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Let's hope they start working on that 長城汽車code app. Next I am going to figure out what this BMW Heart of Joy is for Neue Klasse. Chances are the ECUs are going to get consolidated and the J01 is just a stop-gap.
 
The current MINI SE seems to hide the Front Wheel Drive characteristic pretty well. I have been driving my Cross Turismo for a few days. The initial handling feel doesn't deviate from the SE much. Wonder how the new MINI E will feel like.
 
Smart Wannabe said:
The current MINI SE seems to hide the Front Wheel Drive characteristic pretty well. I have been driving my Cross Turismo for a few days. The initial handling feel doesn't deviate from the SE much. Wonder how the new MINI E will feel like.
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That's impressive if the handling of your 4949.4-lb Cross Turismo feels like an SE.
 
insightman said:
I predict Bimmercode won't work on the J01, at least not the version of Bimmercode we have.

Perhaps there's a GWMmercode app already available in China?
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Great point, I have a bunch of Bimmercode changes and I would sure hate to have all of those warnings back again.
 
insightman said:
I predict Bimmercode won't work on the J01, at least not the version of Bimmercode we have.
Perhaps there's a GWMmercode app already available in China?
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Puppethead said:
I doubt GWM had anything to do with the software, from what I've seen it feels like German coding. Also basing on Android seems very European.
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Perhaps some of the powertrain-specific modules will be Chinese (maybe)... but with how similar they're making the "feel" of the J01 with the gas-powered models, I'd guess the modules that most folks are interested in touching will still be BMW and code-able (or, will be when updated configuration files get pushed out).
 
Rasmus Aage said:
Also kind of surprised that the MINI Cooper E (with the small battery) is heavier than the current SE, seeing as the new one is on a new platform.
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An EV-specific platform allows more efficient space utilization to fit a larger battery... but I don't know where weight savings would come from. Not enough to offset a 23% increase in the car's single most heavy component, anyway.
 
Rasmus Aage said:
I can't help but think that the current SE could probably fit a 40kwh battery pack in place of the 32kwh battery - if the batteries were more energy-dense. Hopefully, some garages will specialize in updating older EVs over the years.
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How much would I be willing to pay for a solid-state battery if my SE's wet battery was failing? This site says a new BMW i3 battery costs almost $14,000. Solid-state batteries will be much more expensive. I assume cost-is-no-object companies like Ferrari and McLaren are waiting for solid-state batteries before building their EV sports cars.
 
insightman said:
How much would I be willing to pay for a solid-state battery if my SE's wet battery was failing? This site says a new BMW i3 battery costs almost $14,000. Solid-state batteries will be much more expensive. I assume cost-is-no-object companies like Ferrari and McLaren are waiting for solid-state batteries before building their EV sports cars.
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It's pretty apparent that the J01 is using LFP chemistry with all that weight gain. Now CATL apparently has a Shenxing LFP battery that can charge at 4C, but I highly doubt that's in the J01 MINI COUPER (S)E.
 
The quoted efficiency – 15-14.1 kWh/100 km (4.1-4.4 mi/kWh) – isn't much better than the F56
 
insightman said:
Does the bottom-level Essential trim come with different, less-fun headlights?
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I was confused by that when I saw it, because per Motoringfile:
"It’s worth noting that, what we see in these photos [the two-line headlights] are the standard lights and not the adaptive LEDs that will be optional. Those will feature a horizontal bar and two different matrix units above and below."​

That seems to clearly describe what's shown on the 'Essential' trim... but it seems weird for the optional upgrade to be shown as "standard" on the lowest spec model. :confused:
 
SameGuy said:
The quoted efficiency – 15-14.1 kWh/100 km (4.1-4.4 mi/kWh) – isn't much better than the F56
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I'm not sure that's surprising, though. The current SE seems quite efficient, presumably benefitting from being "3rd generation" (original MINI EV then i3). Improved aerodynamics would improve efficiency at higher speeds, but could only be taken so far and still have the new SE look like a MINI. At the same time, the greater mass due to the larger battery is going to increase rolling resistance. So, a ~10% improvement might be all that was really possible.
 
CuriousGeorge said:
I'm not sure that's surprising, though. The current SE seems quite efficient, presumably benefitting from being "3rd generation" (original MINI EV then i3). Improved aerodynamics would improve efficiency at higher speeds, but could only be taken so far and still have the new SE look like a MINI. At the same time, the greater mass due to the larger battery is going to increase rolling resistance. So, a ~10% improvement might be all that was really possible.
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I guess because they went with a known entity in GWM, and they are pretty much using off the shelf technology now. Just somewhat surprising considering the various announcements at Munich and Frankfurt this week, for example MB and their "entry-level" 2025 CLA with "silicon-oxide anode" battery technology giving an estimated 5.2 mi/kWh (11.1 kWh/100 km) and 466 miles of WLTP range.
 
SameGuy said:
I guess because they went with a known entity in GWM, and they are pretty much using off the shelf technology now. Just somewhat surprising considering the various announcements at Munich and Frankfurt this week, for example MB and their "entry-level" 2025 CLA with "silicon-oxide anode" battery technology giving an estimated 5.2 mi/kWh (11.1 kWh/100 km) and 466 miles of WLTP range.
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Accepting both MINI's and MB's claims at face value, my guess is that the difference is largely due to 1) aerodynamics and 2) a two-speed transmission.
 
pcfarrar said:
The press release has quite a lot of additional info:

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/glob...nal:-the-all-electric-mini-cooper?language=en
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I keep reading about the exciting "Experience Modes" but this press release speaks to the experience in which I'm interested:
With highly preloaded stabiliser mounts on the axles, the driver experiences a significantly improved body response during dynamic cornering as well as a valuable gain in steering precision and accuracy. The result is excellent body support combined with smooth rolling comfort. The MINI Cooper is also equipped with a strut brace for an even sportier driving experience.

Other than switching to RWD, I don't know how the new SE could feel sportier than mine, but MINI wouldn't stick "preloaded stabilizer mounts" and a "strut brace" on this car for any other reason.

I'd be very impressed if MINI claimed the steering feel is better. Does any car with electrically-boosted steering offer good feel? I remember with nostalgia the great steering feel of my Fiat-Abarth OT-1000 and my Porsche 914.
 
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