ICEd charging spots

[Clamps]

I was visiting a local mall that had two ChargePoint stalls and as it’s a free station I thought I would charge my car while my wife were there. Just in front of me a young man in an ICE Mustang took the only open space left at the station. As I was right behind him I caught him getting out of his car, politely but firmly asked him to move as it’s for electric cars. He questioned me, do you have to charge, insinuating I could park elsewhere. And while I could have made it home I insisted that I did want to charge my car. He huffed a bit but finally moved his car. This spot is right across from the Whole Foods entrance but otherwise not a super desirable spot and it’s a massive parking lot with many spaces so I couldn’t figure why he wanted that spot so badly.

 

[electriceddy]

ICE Mustang took the only open space left at the station

Mistake #1

do you have to charge

Yes...it is a battery-operated vehicle.

Unfortunately, some people just (and probably never will) get it.
Hopefully that will change as more EVs come into the market.
I can see a similar situation in the near future... where the only remaining gas pump in a commercial re-fueling station is dominated and surrounded with DC fast chargers in operation.

 

[bwilson4web]

I advocate EV chargers located at inconvenient spots. EV users have no problem walking further for a charge.

Alternatively, a very low cost parking meter, say $.25/hour and the other spots free. Perhaps have it return the quarter after a charge finishes.

Bob Wilson

 

[insightman]

I was visiting a local mall that had two ChargePoint stalls and as it’s a free station I thought I would charge my car while my wife were there. Just in front of me a young man in an ICE Mustang took the only open space left at the station. As I was right behind him I caught him getting out of his car, politely but firmly asked him to move as it’s for electric cars. He questioned me, do you have to charge, insinuating I could park elsewhere. And while I could have made it home I insisted that I did want to charge my car. He huffed a bit but finally moved his car. This spot is right across from the Whole Foods entrance but otherwise not a super desirable spot and it’s a massive parking lot with many spaces so I couldn’t figure why he wanted that spot so badly.

Too bad you didn't have this invitation to hand to that ICEr:

 

[pictsidhe]

I left my car at the level 1 chargers at atl airport recently. When I got back, there were 4 spots not being used for charging. They all had EVs in them.
Hmmm. I'm hoping the chargers were just out of order.
When I got there, 1 ICEd spot. I shared my own spot with 2 other badly parked EVs. Only one free spot would have taken a large EV thanks to lousy parking. I left a comment in Plugshare about that.
During the recent big freeze. I went to buy kerosene at a gas station. Only the kero pump in the far corner was not ICEd by people just parked. Looked like a meeting for the local boy-racers. Before my SE, I'd often need to wait for people not fuelling to move from a pump.
Unless there is a penalty for being a dick, people will be dicks. I'd like to see a hefty fine for every improperly used charging spot. Block several, get several fines.

 

[electriceddy]

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This has been the main Plugshare photo for a Chevy dealer in Danville, VA for just over two months now. It seems the service department likes to use the charging spots rather than walk an extra 30' from a regular space.

I'm amazed that they haven't put a Bolt out there so that it isn't their main Plugshare photo. The fact they haven't is not a good advert...

They haven't responded to my email asking if this was deliberate and they don't want to allow public charging, or just a lazy employee. My Mini has short range, the only fast charger within range on a trip being ICEd is a major delay on a trip. It is listed as a public charger 24/7. I was there Sunday evening.

I was 6" from the SUV, the cable was pretty tight, but I did charge. I would have been at a level 2 for several hours to make the next fast charger home. I got to this one with 4% battery after a zap and zip at a level 2 a few miles away.

Car dealerships are important charging locations in these early days. If they were a little more considerate about it, they'd sell more cars... Maybe half seem to allow public charging and don't ICE their spots with service vehicles.

I am in NC, there is no state penalty here for ICEing charging spots. There may be in a year or two. I'm all for a $500 fine and towtruck.

 

[WA7S]

Teddy Wayne Hall Sr. is accused of pulling a .22-caliber revolver from his pocket and fatally shooting an unarmed man who had told him he shouldn’t park in a space reserved for the disabled.

Hall fired four shots at Raja McCallister as McCallister stood beside the driver’s-side door of his black Camaro in the parking lot of his fiancé's apartment complex in Southeast Portland, according to police, a prosecutor and cellphone video of the encounter.

Two of the shots struck McCallister, 45, in the back as he turned to run, killing him on the evening of Nov. 23, Portland police Det. Scott Broughton testified in court Thursday.

“This all was precipitated over a parking spot,” Deputy District Aileen Santoyo told a Multnomah County judge during a bail hearing. “Mr. Hall shoots Mr. McCallister out of nowhere. … Just because someone tells you you can’t park somewhere, you can’t shoot them.”

https://chronline.com/stories/orego...-park-in-space-for-disabled-prosecutor,307702

 

[pictsidhe]

Isn't Teddy a lovely man.

 

[ericy]

The other day I was trying to charge at a shopping mall. It was the MLK holiday, so the mall was jammed with people, and while there were 6 EA chargers, two slots were occupied by Tesla that weren't even plugged in (they must have viewed it as preferred parking for EVs or something). A few more were occupied by an assortment of cars charging to high SOC - some were already in the so-called "grace period".

The lot was full enough that finding any open parking spots was hard - I am thinking that malls are terrible places for DCFC in that people who do bother to plug in will just go in and come out whenever they are done shopping. And the inability or unwillingness to enforce anti-ICEing essentially means that the slots will get clogged with non-charging cars.

 

[pictsidhe]

There are two DCFCs in my city. Both in supermarket lots. Both are almost as far from the entrance as the lot goes. A slight compromise to put them near HV power lines. I haven't been to either when it was really busy. No issues with those, so far. I did see a row of 4 EVs not plugged in at Atlanta airport. The carpark was packed tight when I got there. The chargers are free and need no app or card etc, so I don't get that.


If you're not charging, you shouldn't be there.
Methinks a number plate recognition camera and a $500 parking fee would be useful.

There is a Mickey Mouse adaptor available for ICE cars to charge their 12V batteries so they can 'use' charging spots. I don't know if it works on DC, though. AC charger handshake is very simple. The DC one is not.

 

[electriceddy]

a $500 parking fee would be useful.

Australia got it right, how about a $3200.00 fine. Also includes EVs parked but not charging.

"The fines apply to drivers who leave petrol or diesel vehicles in spaces designated for electric cars in an act known as “ICEing”, for its use of internal combustion engine cars.
But the penalties also apply to electric car drivers who occupy the parking spots while not actually recharging their vehicles."

 

[teslarati97]

Australia got it right, how about a $3200.00 fine. Also includes EVs parked but not charging.

"The fines apply to drivers who leave petrol or diesel vehicles in spaces designated for electric cars in an act known as “ICEing”, for its use of internal combustion engine cars.
But the penalties also apply to electric car drivers who occupy the parking spots while not actually recharging their vehicles."

Does plugged in to an external source of electricity equate to recharging? I mean one could simply run a gas generator and charge their EV. Actually just park an Aptera in the EV stall and call it a day!

 

[pictsidhe]

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Does plugged in to an external source of electricity equate to recharging? I mean one could simply run a gas generator and charge their EV. Actually just park an Aptera in the EV stall and call it a day!

I suspect that a distinct lack of humour will be in evidence by enforcers.
Time for the rest of the world to catch up with Australia. I can't like those fines enough.

 

[teslarati97]

I suspect that a distinct lack of humour will be in evidence by enforcers.
Time for the rest of the world to catch up with Australia. I can't like those fines enough.

Yeah those penalty unit dollar values vary by jurisdiction. Imagine if it was a corporate registered vehicle in the Australian Capital Territory of A$810/unit (A$160/unit for individuals)!

 

[pictsidhe]

Oh wow. I can't wait for someone to get hit with a $16,200 fine. That would be the beginning of the end of the Australian ICE age...
Now please, even 10% of that would drastically help in my US state.

Yeah those penalty unit dollar values vary by jurisdiction. Imagine if it was a corporate registered vehicle in the Australian Capital Territory of A$810/unit (A$160/unit for individuals)!

 

[pictsidhe]

There is a 2nd attempt to pass an anti-ICEing law in NC.

https://evmagz.com/north-carolina-c...-engine-vehicles-parked-in-ev-charging-spots/

On a trip a few months back, I came across a handicap EV parking spot. It was one of two. I tried the other spot first, which was dead, then nervously used the handicap one. It seems that many of these handicap spots are intended to be mainly EV chargers for anyone with an EV, handicap second.
But it does seem like another way to nail ICEers...

 

[Bruce M.]

There is a 2nd attempt to pass an anti-ICEing law in NC.

https://evmagz.com/north-carolina-c...-engine-vehicles-parked-in-ev-charging-spots/

On a trip a few months back, I came across a handicap EV parking spot. It was one of two. I tried the other spot first, which was dead, then nervously used the handicap one. It seems that many of these handicap spots are intended to be mainly EV chargers for anyone with an EV, handicap second.
But it does seem like another way to nail ICEers...

There's a ChargePoint station at my local Target store that's free for the first 2 hours, so whenever I'm shopping there I'm always happy to pick up a free kilowatt or two if a plug is free. There are a total of 4 plugs, and two are marked as handicapped spots. I've never really understood the protocol, and the signage isn't clear: Can you park there if you have a handicap sticker but not an EV, if the other handicap spots are full? Can you charge there if you've got an EV but aren't handicapped, if that's the only plug available. I've only used it once, when the other EV spots were full, but wasn't sure if I was breaking a rule or not.

 

[bwilson4web]

Extreme ICEd:

There was a traveling 'circus' ... amusement rides in the parking lot with a lot of large pickup trucks to tow trailers and equipment. I suspect one of them tried to turn around and did this. I shared the photo with the Nashville Service Center.

Bob Wilson

 

[pictsidhe]

CA has clarified this. Dual spots are primarily EV charging for anyone, handicapped second signage should not be confusing. The etiquette is to use other charging spots if you don't need a handicapped one.
Other states have not cleared this up. The one I used in either NC or SC was definitely unclear.

There's a ChargePoint station at my local Target store that's free for the first 2 hours, so whenever I'm shopping there I'm always happy to pick up a free kilowatt or two if a plug is free. There are a total of 4 plugs, and two are marked as handicapped spots. I've never really understood the protocol, and the signage isn't clear: Can you park there if you have a handicap sticker but not an EV, if the other handicap spots are full? Can you charge there if you've got an EV but aren't handicapped, if that's the only plug available. I've only used it once, when the other EV spots were full, but wasn't sure if I was breaking a rule or not.

 

[Bruce M.]

CA has clarified this. Dual spots are primarily EV charging for anyone, handicapped second signage should not be confusing. The etiquette is to use other charging spots if you don't need a handicapped one.
Other states have not cleared this up. The one I used in either NC or SC was definitely unclear.

Thanks for this. That's the basic assumption I was operating on, but the signage here is really confusing. There's really no way to discern from the markings which takes precedence.