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[electriceddy]

Enjoy your new car, looks very nice.

 

[Clamps]

So for variety we got a red Kona, never had a red car before.

I really like the red but I couldn’t find one in that paint locally. That would have been my second choice, maybe first if I could’ve actually saw one on the lot.

 

[UncleMark]

Don’t forget Tesla M3 has better depreciation than any other new car out there so you could probably sell your Sr M3 with 22,000 miles on it for just a few thousand less than you paid for it. So if you get rid of the car tomorrow it would probably end up being cheaper than if you bought a 10 year old Prius and were lucky enough to not have to do anything but change the oil for 20,000 miles.
And that’s just a tiny part of the awesomeness of the Model 3.


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The charging speed and charging network are the main two reasons I'm hesitant. There are a few other smaller quibbles too but that's really it.

 

[Esprit1st]

For me personally the charging speed is no problem. It takes as long as I need to grab a snack and use the restroom to charge from about 10% to 80%. For me a non-issue. Granted that might be different for others.

The charging network is getting very good and major routes are really not a problem anymore. Sure there are areas that are underserved and if you happen to have to go there, yes, big issue, but that'll change hopefully sooner than later.

 

[bwilson4web]

Context is everything:

Don’t forget Tesla M3 has better depreciation than any other new car out there so you could probably sell your Sr M3 with 22,000 miles on it for just a few thousand less than you paid for it.

Our Std Rng Plus Model 3 has 26,039 miles on the odometer. I've ordered a pair of low weight, low rolling resistance, wheels and tires. Back ordered, I'll pick them up in Atlanta saving $40 shipping, around July 22, 188 mi ~3.5 hrs driving each way. The expected costs:

• $3.70 - leaving with 2/3d charge at home
• $3.50 - first SuperCharger session
• $7.00 - last SuperCharger session
• $14.20 - expected total cost for 376 miles and ~7 hrs driving

I'll save about $25.80 shipping and enjoy a day trip on AutoPilot/Full Self Driving to Atlanta. This is part of my Tesla range tuning to compensate for the expected, first year battery degradation, ~4% (1% per year thereafter.) Once done, the car should have its original 240 mi range and a lower cost per mile.

So if you get rid of the car tomorrow it would probably end up being cheaper than if you bought a 10 year old Prius and were lucky enough to not have to do anything but change the oil for 20,000 miles.

Given I traded-in our last Prius, a Prius Prime with 16,000 miles to buy the Std Rng Plus Model 3, I really don't want to go back. Actually, I've done the used Prius test.

We gave our first, a 2003 Prius with 175,000 miles to our house keeper. She drove it 225,000 before a non-affordable, brake pump failed. It was also leaking oil from the engine drive shaft and evidence of catalytic converter failure.

And that’s just a tiny part of the awesomeness of the Model 3.

You're singing my tune!

Bob Wilson

 

[UncleMark]

For me personally the charging speed is no problem. It takes as long as I need to grab a snack and use the restroom to charge from about 10% to 80%. For me a non-issue. Granted that might be different for others.

The charging network is getting very good and major routes are really not a problem anymore. Sure there are areas that are underserved and if you happen to have to go there, yes, big issue, but that'll change hopefully sooner than later.[/QUO

Context is everything:

Our Std Rng Plus Model 3 has 26,039 miles on the odometer. I've ordered a pair of low weight, low rolling resistance, wheels and tires. Back ordered, I'll pick them up in Atlanta saving $40 shipping, around July 22, 188 mi ~3.5 hrs driving each way. The expected costs:

• $3.70 - leaving with 2/3d charge at home
• $3.50 - first SuperCharger session
• $7.00 - last SuperCharger session
• $14.20 - expected total cost for 376 miles and ~7 hrs driving

I'll save about $25.80 shipping and enjoy a day trip on AutoPilot/Full Self Driving to Atlanta. This is part of my Tesla range tuning to compensate for the expected, first year battery degradation, ~4% (1% per year thereafter.) Once done, the car should have its original 240 mi range and a lower cost per mile.


Given I traded-in our last Prius, a Prius Prime with 16,000 miles to buy the Std Rng Plus Model 3, I really don't want to go back. Actually, I've done the used Prius test.

We gave our first, a 2003 Prius with 175,000 miles to our house keeper. She drove it 225,000 before a non-affordable, brake pump failed. It was also leaking oil from the engine drive shaft and evidence of catalytic converter failure.
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You're singing my tune!

Bob Wilson

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like the red but I couldn’t find one in that paint locally. That would have been my second choice

 

[FloridaSun]

For me personally the charging speed is no problem. It takes as long as I need to grab a snack and use the restroom to charge from about 10% to 80%. For me a non-issue. Granted that might be different for others.

The charging network is getting very good and major routes are really not a problem anymore. Sure there are areas that are underserved and if you happen to have to go there, yes, big issue, but that'll change hopefully sooner than later.

Well, there is also the cost difference.. While Electrify has become cheaper, it's still significantly more expensive than Tesla Superchargers. EA is between 35 cents to 40 cents per kwh (depending on speed during session) while Superchargers I believe are 28 cents per kwh.. Another issue is availability of fast chargers.. While MOST areas have great coverage for DC fast, there are still areas that have no fast chargers. My wife has family in South Texas and the McAllen are does not have a single fast charger.. NONE!! Closest is San Antonio and a 24kw Chargepoint at Corpus Cristi, both over 100 miles away.. However, there is a Tesla Supercharger right in McAllen..

 

[Esprit1st]

You're definitely right. I think it's kind of funny though that people pick on EA so much. Yes, the old pricing model was unacceptable. As you mention, the new one is much better, my experience is about 30-40¢ per kwh.

However, evgo e.x. charges 35¢ as well, and nobody complains about that!? And there are other companies (might be specific chargers) out there (forgot which ones) that charge even more than that.

 

[FloridaSun]

You're definitely right. I think it's kind of funny though that people pick on EA so much. Yes, the old pricing model was unacceptable. As you mention, the new one is much better, my experience is about 30-40¢ per kwh.

However, evgo e.x. charges 35¢ as well, and nobody complains about that!? And there are other companies (might be specific chargers) out there (forgot which ones) that charge even more than that.

No doubt, EVGo is very expensive, especially because MANY of their chargers are 40kw and not 50kw as advertised.. They are 100 amp and the highest that they could deliver is somewhere around 39kw..
EA is definitely on the right track.. While still high compared to Telsa, with the Kona pricing plan, prices are reasonable.
I wish that Greenlots had more chargers.. Around my area we have tons of them.. I think that when it comes to the number of free 50kw chargers in relation to the population covered, my area has the highest density of FREE 50kw chargers. Best of all, most of the time they are available.. DUKE Energy has a big part of that expansion in my area. Not sure why they are trying to get their name out as much as they do. They are a power company and it's not like their customers have a choice which power company to use.. Of course.. the more EVs there are, the more they will make on electricity..

 

[electriceddy]

No doubt, EVGo is very expensive, especially because MANY of their chargers are 40kw and not 50kw as advertised.. They are 100 amp and the highest that they could deliver is somewhere around 39kw..
EA is definitely on the right track.. While still high compared to Telsa, with the Kona pricing plan, prices are reasonable.
I wish that Greenlots had more chargers.. Around my area we have tons of them.. I think that when it comes to the number of free 50kw chargers in relation to the population covered, my area has the highest density of FREE 50kw chargers. Best of all, most of the time they are available.. DUKE Energy has a big part of that expansion in my area. Not sure why they are trying to get their name out as much as they do. They are a power company and it's not like their customers have a choice which power company to use.. Of course.. the more EVs there are, the more they will make on electricity..

BC Hydro is the only supply authority here and have done an admiral job supplying free 50 kw charging in more than a few locations on the Island (so far).
In Nanaimo , I have see a few Tesla models sucking up the free juice, even with a supercharger location located just a km away.