evse recommendations?

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Puppethead said:
That looks pretty good, I wonder if it does not have a GFCI built in which would make it perfect for your outlet. Having the GFCI on the outlet should be enough protection. If you get it I'd love to hear how it works, since NEC requires GFCI on outlets now so I'm looking for a pluggable EVSE that doesn't have one built in.
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Actually, the issue is not my dryer outlet, is it the outlet at my in-laws' place. And I'm quite certain that outlet does not have GFCI.

So if the EVSE doesn't handle any sort of ground protection, there is a risk around grounding, no?
 
Since you already have 3 wires rated for 30 Amps running from the panel to that outdoor box, it would be pretty easy for an electrician to swap the breaker for a double pole GFI (to give you 240V and GFI to an outdoor outlet) and swap the TT-30 to a 10-30 outlet. Then get one of these:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08GP81...abc_BAZF8BE77CFWGKF8QX8Q?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

You'd be charging at 24A/240V, so a full tank from empty in about 5 hours. Pretty sweet, for probably $600, all in.
 
Have the in-laws been in your SE yet? After they take it for a spin, they will be convinced they cannot live without one of their own. Then THEY will be the ones paying for the EVSE and installation. Easy-peasy (except for getting them to install the EVSE at the beginning of their long wait for their SE).
 
F14Scott said:
Since you already have 3 wires rated for 30 Amps running from the panel to that outdoor box, it would be pretty easy for an electrician to swap the breaker for a double pole GFI (to give you 240V and GFI to an outdoor outlet) and swap the TT-30 to a 10-30 outlet. Then get one of these:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08GP81...abc_BAZF8BE77CFWGKF8QX8Q?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

You'd be charging at 24A/240V, so a full tank from empty in about 5 hours. Pretty sweet, for probably $600, all in.
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That's price-prohibitive for this use case, since we have an ICE car that is roomier and the car most likely to make that trip. It's really only likely to happen once or twice a year, at most, and so I'm either going to need to find a solution that fits the infrastructure that exists, or a public charger.

insightman said:
Have the in-laws been in your SE yet? After they take it for a spin, they will be convinced they cannot live without one of their own. Then THEY will be the ones paying for the EVSE and installation. Easy-peasy (except for getting them to install the EVSE at the beginning of their long wait for their SE).
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Extremely unlikely.

I tried to convince my Mother-in-law to look at EVs and even PHEVs, but she didn't even end up with a hybrid when she bought her last car two years ago. Her hub is very unlikely to step down from his large truck to a small SE, and through thorough conversations with him today, it is clear that he cannot see past range anxiety.
 
bldxyz said:
That's price-prohibitive for this use case, since we have an ICE car that is roomier and the car most likely to make that trip. It's really only likely to happen once or twice a year, at most, and so I'm either going to need to find a solution that fits the infrastructure that exists, or a public charger.



Extremely unlikely.

I tried to convince my Mother-in-law to look at EVs and even PHEVs, but she didn't even end up with a hybrid when she bought her last car two years ago. Her hub is very unlikely to step down from his large truck to a small SE, and through thorough conversations with him today, it is clear that he cannot see past range anxiety.
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It's always strange to me how 'stubborn' people are about cars. I held off for a while because I loved driving stick. I needed to know if an electric car could be just as fun. I started off with a fuddy duddy Leaf. Minus the steering and such, it was fun off the line. Love one pedal driving. But when I talk to others they are like "I just don't know about those cars" like they are alien or something...

The SE is a ton of fun though. More so than my last Mini.
 
Lainey said:
It's always strange to me how 'stubborn' people are about cars.
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At least in this case, age could be a factor. How many people in their 70s and 80s are adopting things on the upslope of the adoption curve? I’m sure some are “early adopters”, but I bet the demographics of tech adoption tends not to favor the senior set.

Even though all of us here are adopting, I will offer that I, myself, am just now buying my first EV of any kind. And I remember thinking in 1993 that the car I bought then would be the last, non-electric car I would buy. (It wasn’t, but I’m just saying that this adoption curve isn’t like, say, Facebook.)
 
bldxyz said:
At least in this case, age could be a factor. How many people in their 70s and 80s are adopting things on the upslope of the adoption curve? I’m sure some are “early adopters”, but I bet the demographics of tech adoption tends not to favor the senior set.

Even though all of us here are adopting, I will offer that I, myself, am just now buying my first EV of any kind. And I remember thinking in 1993 that the car I bought then would be the last, non-electric car I would buy. (It wasn’t, but I’m just saying that this adoption curve isn’t like, say, Facebook.)
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It is hard to shift, that's for sure. My late 70s dad thinks his next will be an EV as well. Kind of proud of that willingness. Many of his friends are in the nope category

Even I was no early adopter in this case. In fact I intentionally bought my last car as one last hurrah with a manual. It took years for me to drop the idea of having an ICE vehicle
 
Lainey said:
It is hard to shift, that's for sure. My late 70s dad thinks his next will be an EV as well. Kind of proud of that willingness. Many of his friends are in the nope category

Even I was no early adopter in this case. In fact I intentionally bought my last car as one last hurrah with a manual. It took years for me to drop the idea of having an ICE vehicle
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I would argue that we are still in the somewhat early phases of EV adoption, though not the earliest. We aren't quite to mainstream adoption yet, given the market share of EVs.
 
MichaelC said:
If my image searching is correct, that looks like a NEMA TT-30 socket, which supports 120V, 30A.

If you have (or can buy) an EVSE with a 14-50 plug that can support operating at 120V, 24A, you could buy an adapter like this: https://www.evseadapters.com/products/tt-30p-to-nema-14-50r-ev-adapter/
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Does anyone here know if the SE can pull more than 12A at 120V? I know the Bolt will only ever pull up to 12A, and that's a limit imposed by the car. Technically, the J1772 standard defines 120V up to 16A - 120V / 24A is not valid under the official protocol. That said, even 5-20 outlets are pretty common. The 33% boost in charge rate from 12A to 16A is not insignificant.
 
bldxyz said:
I would argue that we are still in the somewhat early phases of EV adoption, though not the earliest. We aren't quite to mainstream adoption yet, given the market share of EVs.
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My sister in law is on her 2nd EV. Makes me feel late to the game lol
 
bldxyz said:
That's price-prohibitive for this use case, since we have an ICE car that is roomier and the car most likely to make that trip. It's really only likely to happen once or twice a year, at most, and so I'm either going to need to find a solution that fits the infrastructure that exists, or a public charger.



Extremely unlikely.

I tried to convince my Mother-in-law to look at EVs and even PHEVs, but she didn't even end up with a hybrid when she bought her last car two years ago. Her hub is very unlikely to step down from his large truck to a small SE, and through thorough conversations with him today, it is clear that he cannot see past range anxiety.
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Not sure why you don't see that as reasonable. I came to this forum because I had interest in the Mach-e but had concerns. I figured they were unfounded, but after reading things here for months I underestimated the issues with EVs. The tech simply isn't right for some of us at this time. Unless you have strong feelings about being green, it seems best to wait a few more generations for me.


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Recoil45 said:
Not sure why you don't see that as reasonable. I came to this forum because I had interest in the Mach-e but had concerns. I figured they were unfounded, but after reading things here for months I underestimated the issues with EVs. The tech simply isn't right for some of us at this time. Unless you have strong feelings about being green, it seems best to wait a few more generations for me.
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I’m just curious what the show stoppers are for you at this time?
 
Recoil45 said:
Not sure why you don't see that as reasonable. I came to this forum because I had interest in the Mach-e but had concerns. I figured they were unfounded, but after reading things here for months I underestimated the issues with EVs. The tech simply isn't right for some of us at this time. Unless you have strong feelings about being green, it seems best to wait a few more generations for me.


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Sorry, but I’m not sure which part of my message you are referring to when you say, “not sure why you don't see that as reasonable.” I can try to explain my reasoning if you clarify your question?
 
Lainey said:
Yeah but they're driving a Prius. Not superior to much... :D
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Well, I said he can claim superiority, as he has had a tiny tiny bit of that going on since he bought his first Prius. I mean, sure, he was getting something like 50 MPG when the rest of us were getting about half of that, so he could claim he was saving the planet.

Nonetheless, I did laugh at your joke!
 
Puppethead said:
For North America, the Owner's Manual says max Level 1 is 15 A. But the charge cable the SE comes with maxes out at 10 A.
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Thanks. I have read the owner's manual, but this is the most confusing manual I have ever read. Half is poorly translated english (isn't Mini supposed to be a British car?) and there is a lot of conflicting information. I also found many references that suggest european electric standards.

I used to have an EVSE setup that could do 16A / 120V, but I no longer have it. Otherwise I would test this out myself.
 
GetOffYourGas said:
Thanks. I have read the owner's manual, but this is the most confusing manual I have ever read. Half is poorly translated english (isn't Mini supposed to be a British car?) and there is a lot of conflicting information. I also found many references that suggest european electric standards.

I used to have an EVSE setup that could do 16A / 120V, but I no longer have it. Otherwise I would test this out myself.
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German parent company though.
 
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