Dealer just informed me that no more 2022 Mini Cooper SE are being produced

[SpeedyRS]

I was just informed that the Signature is going to be built in china, Signature Plus and Iconic in England. I was planning on a Signature, do I care that it comes from China?

Was it the dealer who informed you of this? I may well be wrong but I feel they must be mistaken. It makes no sense to do that as it’s exactly the same car; just the trim level that differs. If it was the dealer, being cynical is it a ploy to get you to pony up a few more pounds/dollars/Euros for a higher trim level?

 

[Tommm]

I was just informed that the Signature is going to be built in china, Signature Plus and Iconic in England. I was planning on a Signature, do I care that it comes from China?

The website is a work in progress. Yesterday it had a dead link for new colors. Today it discusses the 2023 electric features. My salesman is in training today, i gave him a deposit yesterday. I would wait a day or two. Since the only pictures are of the current body style I dont think anyone has the answer yet.

 

[GvilleGuy]

I was just informed that the Signature is going to be built in china, Signature Plus and Iconic in England. I was planning on a Signature, do I care that it comes from China?

This is confusing. Very strange that Sig would be a separate plant. I would care only because the plant in England is well-established.

 

[Tommm]

This is confusing. Very strange that Sig would be a separate plant. I would care only because the plant in England is well-established.

I think the Great Wall plant produced more EVs in the last 3 months than all of MINI.

 

[GvilleGuy]

I think the Great Wall plant produced more EVs in the last 3 months than all of MINI.

But producing actual Minis is new to them, right? They will have to work out some growing pains, I would imagine. But that's just a guess.

 

[sage major]

This is confusing. Very strange that Sig would be a separate plant. I would care only because the plant in England is well-established.

Yes, my dealer informed me of that. I am waiting for them to get back to me with what is actually different about 2022 vs 2023. He said that the order can go in today.

 

[Tommm]

But producing actual Minis is new to them, right? They will have to work out some growing pains, I would imagine. But that's just a guess.

I agree there will be growing pains. I don't think they will that bad. I find it amusing that we want a car made in England, when not too long ago cars made in England were the butt of so many jokes. Lord Lucas Prince of Darkness, the Acura rebadged as a Sterling that was anything but sterling, Rolls going under for so many reasons, salvaged by BMW and VW... British Leyland all but disappearing because of lousy quality. I still want a TR-6.

 

[chrunck]

I was just informed that the Signature is going to be built in china, Signature Plus and Iconic in England. I was planning on a Signature, do I care that it comes from China?

Informed by whom? This is huge news if true. (It doesn't sound plausible.)

edit: oops, missed the new page.

 

[chrunck]

I don't know where sage major lives, but with the ongoing insane tariffs for goods coming out of China, it seems unlikely that any Chinese-built cars will be coming to the US any time soon.

 

[ogler15]

Was it the dealer who informed you of this? I may well be wrong but I feel they must be mistaken. It makes no sense to do that as it’s exactly the same car; just the trim level that differs. If it was the dealer, being cynical is it a ploy to get you to pony up a few more pounds/dollars/Euros for a higher trim level?

It could make sense. Depends on what BMW is trying to achieve

 

[Tommm]

I don't know where sage major lives, but with the ongoing insane tariffs for goods coming out of China, it seems unlikely that any Chinese-built cars will be coming to the US any time soon.

Did you miss the BMW announcement of their joint venture with Great Wall motors. Great Wall will build electric vehicles badged as BMW products.

Tariffs? What tariffs? You mean there are no tariffs on the China made parts installed in England or installed in the motor in Germany and then shipped to England? They are just cutting out the middleman. Directly from China to the US, The parts will have travelled thousands of miles less.

 

[marvinq]

In the process of ordering for 2023 and the dealer said that for the base trim (Signature), Mini is no longer allowing a change in roof/mirror color other than the body color and Mini will not be allocating a lot of the base trim. Anybody else hearing the same?

 

[Torrey]

It could make sense. Depends on what BMW is trying to achieve

Makes no sense. Why would they tool up an entire line for one year of production before switching to the new model next year. And if so, then why only the Sig trim?

 

[Tommm]

Makes no sense. Why would they tool up an entire line for one year of production before switching to the new model next year. And if so, then why only the Sig trim?

Perhaps, by making the signature its own car, there will be only a few options. Color, wheels and maybe roof rails. Ship as many as they can in, like VW did with the Beetle, and BMW did with the 2002. Then as bugs are worked out, or the supply chain of other options is worked out, add plus and iconic as 2024, when the F56 will be done, and the EV and gas will be two separate vehicles.

The plus and iconic may be similar to what Honda does at the end of a model with the special editions.

Porsche usually comes out with a "base" then the S, then the turbo, then the turbo S, then the de-contented performance versions. which would mean the only reason they are making a 23 plus and iconic is demand from clowns like me.

 

[teslarati97]

The general rate for automobiles under Chapter 87 of the HST https://hts.usitc.gov/current for 8703.80.00 other vehicles, with only electric motors for propulsion is 2.5% for NTR (normal trade relations) with exceptions to duty-free agreements with specific countries: Morocco, Jordan, Singapore, Chile, Australia, Bahrain, Peru, Korea, Israel. Canada and Mexico fall under USMCA/NAFTA for duty-free.

Otherwise it is probably the 10% column 2 (non-NTR) unfortunately.

 

[marvinq]

Got the build guide from the dealer, I highlighted the difference between the two on the second image for Signature Plus and Iconinc trim. So seems like only body color for the roof and mirrors for the Signature trim and the Island Blue color is for Sig+ and Iconic trims.

 

[CuriousGeorge]

I was just informed that the Signature is going to be built in china, Signature Plus and Iconic in England. I was planning on a Signature, do I care that it comes from China?

That doesn't sound right. Why set up a line in China to produce EVs based on the F56 platforms for just 1 year?

I suppose that the new EV might be available only in the lowest trim for a year, to be followed by the others later. However, that would be a rather strange mix to offer customers!

 

[drdunkyn]

It comes down to a philosophical decision. If you desire something that is made in a certain country, then you will choose your products accordingly. When you object to the majority of components of technology are manufactured (with great precision, but perhaps with questionable employee standards) in China and their partners, then make your choice for something elsewhere. I remember when I bought my first actual NEW car in 2001, a VW Jetta, there were murmurs that if it was made in Mexico it was inferior. I loved that car and it served me for a long time.

China has mastered mass-production and have produced billions of amazing devices. Pick your country, they all have flaws. I choose the toys that work for me, based on quality. I'm sure the Great Wall vehicles will not disappoint based on their country of origin.

 

[chrunck]

Did you miss the BMW announcement of their joint venture with Great Wall motors. Great Wall will build electric vehicles badged as BMW products.

Tariffs? What tariffs? You mean there are no tariffs on the China made parts installed in England or installed in the motor in Germany and then shipped to England? They are just cutting out the middleman. Directly from China to the US, The parts will have travelled thousands of miles less.

You seem determined to believe this news, so have at it. But I don't buy that they're going to make F56s in China for a single year.

 

[Tommm]

I didn't say F56.

The all new comes from China as sig in 2023.

The plus and iconic stay the same.

A friend has a 2005 996 Turbo S. 997 came out in 2005. How?

The 1999 3 series sedan is E46. The 1999 3 series coupe and convertibles are E36.

What I am saying is nothing new.