What is the "final" fix for the battery fire recall?

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TRSmith said:
So, my vehicle’s manufacturer date (per the sticker in the door well) is after this, in April 2020. But my battery was manufactured in February 2020.

But also my vehicle was subject to recall 196. So even if it’s not subject to this new recall, it has the charging pauses and the 0.5% capacity limit.

Looks like Hyundai USA will notify owners next month, so I’ll know then.
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I was wrong. Checked the door well today and it's February 2020. Not sure why I thought it was April.

Still though, my VIN isn't showing the recall on Hyundai USA's website.
 
lars2885 said:
A Canadian report of the recall is at https://canada.autonews.com/recalls/hyundai-will-replace-battery-systems-11b-global-ev-recall. LG is saying that the problem is not caused by the cells themselves but because "Hyundai misapplied LG's suggestions for fast-charging logic in the battery management system", which would perhaps explain the BMS recalls but not the battery replacement unless Hyundai suspects damage may already have been caused to some in-service batteries. The recall applies to vehicles built between 2018 and 2020. At a guess, those built after March 2020 may be in the clear, but we wait for more info.

There's an interesting number buried in this report. Others on this board have said the cost of a new battery is $30K. The link above says the recall involves 82,000 vehicles, of which 76,000 are Konas, with the rest being Ioniqs and a few city buses. The estimated cost of $1.1 billion should include the labour for replacement and the costs associated with reusing or recycling the old batteries. It works out to an average cost of around $13,500 per vehicle.
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Hyundai Canada just signed up with Lithion Recycling (Quebec based) which times out perfect for the opening of it's new processing and recycling facility. A win for both companies as 95% of the materials can be re used to make new ones:)
https://electricautonomy.ca/2021/03/12/hyundai-lithion-ev-battery-recycling/
 
electriceddy said:
Hyundai Canada just signed up with Lithion Recycling (Quebec based) which times out perfect for the opening of it's new processing and recycling facility. A win for both companies as 95% of the materials can be re used to make new ones:)
https://electricautonomy.ca/2021/03/12/hyundai-lithion-ev-battery-recycling/
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Good way for Hyundai to cut losses. My 2021 model has a LG battery, but the sticker says its from June 19, 2020, and the body sticker has a June 23 date. I'm hoping the battery problem never reaches me because we enjoy the vehicle and hope to keep it for a long time. Looking to take lots of camping trips around BC this summer, with the Kona.
 
electriceddy said:
The 10th symbol (in my case M - 2021) Note: year only ...not month
Other information is available with the other 16 digits or numbers using the universal VIN code:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130426055132/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIN
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For Hyundai, this link might be a little bit more useful. For US vehicles, there are an extra two digits in the VIN to identify the month and day of manufacture, but for everyone else the VIN is 17 digits and only identifies the year of manufacture (pos 10). If you call your local Hyundai dealership or importer, they will be able to tell you when you car was built! (NOTE:- Digits twelve to seventeen are your unique vehicle number)

John.
 
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Anaglypta said:
For Hyundai, this link might be a little bit more useful. For US vehicles, there are an extra two digits in the VIN to identify the month and day of manufacture, but for everyone else the VIN is 17 digits and only identifies the year of manufacture (pos 10). If you call your local Hyundai dealership or importer, they will be able to tell you when you car was built! (NOTE:- Digits twelve to seventeen are your unique vehicle number)

John.
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Thank you.
 
I saw on facebook that hyundia canada will be doing a recall for replacing the battery, so I followed the links and found that my vin number has been issued a recall (R0183), dated Mar, 4, 2021. My car was one of the first in canada and was built in Dec. 2018 and delivered near the end of January 2019. The recall notice states that Hyundai will be contacting affected owners by mail and issuing instructions on how to proceed. The recall notice says there could be a problem inside the high voltage battery that could short circuit and cause a fire. The recall will be done in steps. Apparently around 3550 vehicles are in the recall in Canada. Only 2019 and some 2020 vehicles are affected. The URL for the recall is: https://recall.hyundaicanada.com/en/, where you enter you vin number to see if your auto qualifies.
 
KonaTom said:
I saw on facebook that hyundia canada will be doing a recall for replacing the battery, so I followed the links and found that my vin number has been issued a recall (R0183), dated Mar, 4, 2021. My car was one of the first in canada and was built in Dec. 2018 and delivered near the end of January 2019. The recall notice states that Hyundai will be contacting affected owners by mail and issuing instructions on how to proceed. The recall notice says there could be a problem inside the high voltage battery that could short circuit and cause a fire. The recall will be done in steps. Apparently around 3550 vehicles are in the recall in Canada. Only 2019 and some 2020 vehicles are affected. The URL for the recall is: https://recall.hyundaicanada.com/en/, where you enter you vin number to see if your auto qualifies.
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My wife's kona is also in the recall, she bought it on Sept.1,2019. The recall says it is incomplete, but if you don't see the recall #R0183, your vehicle is not in the recall.
 
KonaTom said:
I saw on facebook that hyundia canada will be doing a recall for replacing the battery, so I followed the links and found that my vin number has been issued a recall (R0183), dated Mar, 4, 2021. My car was one of the first in canada and was built in Dec. 2018 and delivered near the end of January 2019. The recall notice states that Hyundai will be contacting affected owners by mail and issuing instructions on how to proceed. The recall notice says there could be a problem inside the high voltage battery that could short circuit and cause a fire. The recall will be done in steps. Apparently around 3550 vehicles are in the recall in Canada. Only 2019 and some 2020 vehicles are affected. The URL for the recall is: https://recall.hyundaicanada.com/en/, where you enter you vin number to see if your auto qualifies.
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Its interesting in that my Oct 2019 built Canadian 2020 model Kona is not showing up as an affected vehicle. One would would think if you had a need for recall 173 you still had a potential battery defect associated to recall 183. Who knows, maybe my battery was built somewhere other than the Chinese LG plant?
 
apu said:
Its interesting in that my Oct 2019 built Canadian 2020 model Kona is not showing up as an affected vehicle. One would would think if you had a need for recall 173 you still had a potential battery defect associated to recall 183. Who knows, maybe my battery was built somewhere other than the Chinese LG plant?
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Yeah. My wife's car was built in May 2019, and hers qualifies.
 
I just checked the recall status on my 2019 Kona, and it offers an explanation of the cause of the recall. I don't remember seeing this posted, so here it is:
THE SUBJECT VEHICLES ARE EQUIPPED WITH BATTERY CELLS MANUFACTURED IN THE LG ENERGY SOLUTIONS CHINA (NANJING) PLANT IN WHICH THE ANODE (NEGATIVE) TABCAN BE FOLDED. A FOLDED ANODE TAB IN THE BATTERY CELL COULD ALLOW THE LITHIUM PLATING ON THE ANODE TAB TO CONTACT THE CATHODE, RESULTING IN AN ELECTRICAL SHORT. AN ELECTRICAL SHORT IN THE LI-ION BATTERY INCREASES THE RISK OF A FIRE.
 
apu said:
Its interesting in that my Oct 2019 built Canadian 2020 model Kona is not showing up as an affected vehicle. One would would think if you had a need for recall 173 you still had a potential battery defect associated to recall 183. Who knows, maybe my battery was built somewhere other than the Chinese LG plant?
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Well no such luck- the Chinese plant it is , my October 2019 built 2020 Kona finally appeared on the Canadian battery recall 183 list, fun.
 
This thread has input from members who know about the characteristics of our traction batteries and I am interested in their thoughts about AC charging limits. In my case most of the time the Kona had been charged to 100% from my carport wallbox at 20A, giving a rate of 4.4 kW/hour. Then last November I got a call from Hyundai NZ, followed up by a letter, to limit the charge (I'm pretty sure to 90%) until the Battery Management Software was updated. That was completed and I was told I could go back to 100% charge level. Two weeks later after being on charge overnight the car would not engage drive or reverse. So the updated software presumably detected a flaw in the battery and may have prevented serious damage.
Now the car is back in service with its new battery. I have set the AC charging limit to 90%, and my thinking goes like this. On journeys away from home I'm using DC chargers that stop at 80% so that should not be an issue. Generally charging weekly at home to 90% gives me enough distance, and I am not getting into the charge level that previously was a problem. So am I being unreasonably cautious, and should the battery be charged to 100% from time to time?
 
John Lumsden said:
This thread has input from members who know about the characteristics of our traction batteries and I am interested in their thoughts about AC charging limits. In my case most of the time the Kona had been charged to 100% from my carport wallbox at 20A, giving a rate of 4.4 kW/hour. Then last November I got a call from Hyundai NZ, followed up by a letter, to limit the charge (I'm pretty sure to 90%) until the Battery Management Software was updated. That was completed and I was told I could go back to 100% charge level. Two weeks later after being on charge overnight the car would not engage drive or reverse. So the updated software presumably detected a flaw in the battery and may have prevented serious damage.
Now the car is back in service with its new battery. I have set the AC charging limit to 90%, and my thinking goes like this. On journeys away from home I'm using DC chargers that stop at 80% so that should not be an issue. Generally charging weekly at home to 90% gives me enough distance, and I am not getting into the charge level that previously was a problem. So am I being unreasonably cautious, and should the battery be charged to 100% from time to time?
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You kind of skipped over the best part of your story: are you saying that after the software glitch you immediately got a new traction battery? Wow.
If it's a new battery you should feel free to charge it as high as you want. When you ask this question on an EV forum you're going to get a lot of 80/20 proponents coming out of the woodwork. Given that 90% works for your lifestyle it's probably a good thing to settle at that level and take it to 100% when you need to. Enjoy the new battery.
 
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Not immediately Wildeyed. Car bricked itself last December 13. Was provided with an Avis ICE. Back with new battery April 23. Meantime second car traded for a Series 11 - also set to 90% charge.
 
John Lumsden said:
Not immediately Wildeyed. Car bricked itself last December 13. Was provided with an Avis ICE. Back with new battery April 23. Meantime second car traded for a Series 11 - also set to 90% charge.
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That's quite a wait. Although it may seem positively supersonic compared to our wait for the recall replacements.
Is a Series 11 (2?) The redesigned 2022 model?
 
John Lumsden said:
This thread has input from members who know about the characteristics of our traction batteries and I am interested in their thoughts about AC charging limits. In my case most of the time the Kona had been charged to 100% from my carport wallbox at 20A, giving a rate of 4.4 kW/hour. Then last November I got a call from Hyundai NZ, followed up by a letter, to limit the charge (I'm pretty sure to 90%) until the Battery Management Software was updated. That was completed and I was told I could go back to 100% charge level. Two weeks later after being on charge overnight the car would not engage drive or reverse. So the updated software presumably detected a flaw in the battery and may have prevented serious damage.
Now the car is back in service with its new battery. I have set the AC charging limit to 90%, and my thinking goes like this. On journeys away from home I'm using DC chargers that stop at 80% so that should not be an issue. Generally charging weekly at home to 90% gives me enough distance, and I am not getting into the charge level that previously was a problem. So am I being unreasonably cautious, and should the battery be charged to 100% from time to time?
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You have a darn reasonable question. The problem is I am not sure anyone knows the answer for certain. Here is my routine - with my new HV pack - I charge at home (AC) normally to 80%. I charge to 80% whenever the SOC drops below 'half tank", 50%. If and when we plan to go to a longer trip next day, I charge to 90 or 100%.
Due to our "user pattern" I very rarely need DC chargers. Depending on the need at the time I stop @80-90 or 100%. Depending "what level will take me home" or to the next charger.

The bottom line is, if feasible, I will avoid charging to 100% AC or DC.
 
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