The beginning of the end?

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R P said:
I would be happy if they extended my battery warranty to be lifetime, incl all future owners. That would be assuming the software fix would catch all battery defects before they caught fire.
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The #1 reason why I bought the Kona over the Tesla Model 3 was the battery warranty.. I would be driving a Model 3 right now if it wasn't for the warranty.. I still don't regret my purchase.. Car has been absolutely fantastic!!
 
BlueKonaEV said:
The #1 reason why I bought the Kona over the Tesla Model 3 was the battery warranty.. I would be driving a Model 3 right now if it wasn't for the warranty.. I still don't regret my purchase.. Car has been absolutely fantastic!!
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If Hyundai replaces the batteries on the 2019s will the replacement batteries still have the lifetime warranty? It my case I only have 3500 miles on the car. I sure would not be happy getting a reconditioned battery with a lot more miles on it and not have a lifetime warranty.
 
Ronny said:
If Hyundai replaces the batteries on the 2019s will the replacement batteries still have the lifetime warranty? It my case I only have 3500 miles on the car. I sure would not be happy getting a reconditioned battery with a lot more miles on it and not have a lifetime warranty.
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As long as you are the original owner, they can't take away the warranty on the battery.. It is irrelevant of it's the original battery or not. If the battery goes bad every 2 years, they have to replace it every 2 years until you sell or wreck tge car..
 
BlueKonaEV said:
The #1 reason why I bought the Kona over the Tesla Model 3 was the battery warranty.. I would be driving a Model 3 right now if it wasn't for the warranty.. I still don't regret my purchase.. Car has been absolutely fantastic!!
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You know, I like my Kona even more now than when I first got it. Initially, I wasn't happy with how some of the driver assist features performed. I was used to my Subaru, which is a way more precise. The Kona did not like me coming up too fast behind a car, and sometimes slammed on the brakes, unexpectedly. The Subaru was a lot more gentle, and would start braking earlier if needed, and no slamming on of the brakes. I definitely couldn't drive the Kona aggressively in heavy traffic. One time it did it to me just as I was changing lanes to get around someone. Surprised the crap out of me, and people behind me must have thought I was nuts. Anyway, I have since adapted, and hasn't happened to me since. I wonder possibly with all the software updates, incl ECU, they might have refined that a bit. I have got the beeping, but no more slamming of the brakes. Anyway, I am good with it now.

My wife actually likes driving the Kona better than the Subaru. It's all about the one pedal driving in ECO mode with level 3 regen. In comparison, the Subaru throttle feels more hair trigger now, and needs a more gentle push, or you get an initial jerk if you forget. And when slowing down in the Subaru, you actually have to use the brakes. The Kona is definitely our primary vehicle for around town and short trips. But we still need the Subaru to pull our boat and go to our cabin (really rough road). Plus we will always need a 2nd vehicle, with both of us doing our own thing at times.

So I am really hoping this battery thing gets resolved as I still would like to keep the Kona long term.
 
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R P said:
You know, I like my Kona even more now than when I first got it. Initially, I wasn't happy with how some of the driver assist features performed. I was used to my Subaru, which is a way more precise. The Kona did not like me coming up too fast behind a car, and sometimes slammed on the brakes, unexpectedly. The Subaru was a lot more gentle, and would start braking earlier if needed, and no slamming on of the brakes. I definitely couldn't drive the Kona aggressively in heavy traffic. One time it did it to me just as I was changing lanes to get around someone. Surprised the crap out of me, and people behind me must have thought I was nuts. Anyway, I have since adapted, and hasn't happened to me since. I wonder possibly with all the software updates, incl ECU, they might have refined that a bit. I have got the beeping, but no more slamming of the brakes. Anyway, I am good with it now.

My wife actually likes driving the Kona better than the Subaru. It's all about the one pedal driving in ECO mode with level 3 regen. In comparison, the Subaru throttle feels more hair trigger now, and needs a more gentle push, or you get an initial jerk if you forget. And when slowing down in the Subaru, you actually have to use the brakes. The Kona is definitely our primary vehicle for around town and short trips. But we still need the Subaru to pull our boat and go to our cabin (really rough road). Plus we will always need a 2nd vehicle, with both of us doing our own thing at times.

So I am really hoping this battery thing gets resolved as I still would like to keep the Kona long term.
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You can adjust how aggressive you want the Forward Collision assist to be.. It's in the menu.
 
BlueKonaEV said:
Never had an issue with it.. Maybe a calibration issue with the forward camera?
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Nope, I have heard others complain about the exact same thing on another forum. But like I said, I have adapted and hasn't happened to me since.

The problem is that Hyundai uses a single camera, while Subaru uses dual stereo cameras which more accurately calculate distances and speeds. It locks on cars ahead of you a lot sooner. Same thing with ACC, if the cars on the freeway suddenly stop ahead of you, the Kona waits too long to start braking, and then really slams them on. In fact I don't trust it and start braking myself beforehand. And doesn't matter which steering wheel distance setting I have, they are all too late. In stop and go traffic, ACC in the Kona is almost useless, and still requires you to brake at times. In the Subaru, ACC works great in any traffic, and it is far less stressful in tight stop and go traffic. I can set the distance really close, so cars can't squeeze in front of you, yet it will brake undramatically as required when cars in front stop. And you can set the acceleration also as aggressive as you like to not let them squeeze in on take off. That does not happen with the Kona.

I can drive any way I like with the Subaru, and never any surprises. But it will always stop if necessary without my intervention. It is far, far superior to Hyundai's driver assist.

The Subaru's driver assist is actually better than my son's Tesla, too. His also is not that great in tight stop and go traffic. I think they also only use one forward camera.

Subaru was one of the first cars with driver assist (they call it Eyesight), probably almost 10 years now. They always used dual front cameras. And they keep refining it every year. I think it is still the best out there. So I got a little spoiled before the Kona.
 
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R P said:
Nope, I have heard others complain about the exact same thing on another forum. But like I said, I have adapted and hasn't happened to me since.

The problem is that Hyundai uses a single camera, while Subaru uses dual stereo cameras which more accurately calculate distances and speeds. It locks on cars ahead of you a lot sooner. Same thing with ACC, if the cars on the freeway suddenly stop ahead of you, the Kona waits too long to start braking, and then really slams them on. In fact I don't trust it and start braking myself beforehand. And doesn't matter which steering wheel distance setting I have, they are all too late. In stop and go traffic, ACC in the Kona is almost useless, and still requires you to brake at times. In the Subaru, ACC works great in any traffic, and it is far less stressful in tight stop and go traffic. I can set the distance really close, so cars can't squeeze in front of you, yet it will brake undramatically as required when cars in front stop. And you can set the acceleration also as aggressive as you like to not let them squeeze in on take off. That does not happen with the Kona.

I can drive any way I like with the Subaru, and never any surprises. But it will always stop if necessary without my intervention. It is far, far superior to Hyundai's driver assist.

The Subaru's driver assist is actually better than my son's Tesla, too. His also is not that great in tight stop and go traffic. I think they also only use one forward camera.

Subaru was one of the first cars with driver assist (they call it Eyesight), probably almost 10 years now. They always used dual front cameras. And they keep refining it every year. I think it is still the best out there. So I got a little spoiled before the Kona.
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MY 2019 model was a lot more aggressive with FCA (using the same settings) and tended to veer to the center line as well using SCC. The problem has been resolved in my 2021 model to the point it is actually enjoyable and dependable (barring any snow, heavy rain etc on the sensors).
It could not hurt to ask the techs to check the alignment/calibration as BlueKonaEv suggests and at least eliminate that possibility.
 
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R P said:
Nope, I have heard others complain about the exact same thing on another forum. But like I said, I have adapted and hasn't happened to me since.

The problem is that Hyundai uses a single camera, while Subaru uses dual stereo cameras which more accurately calculate distances and speeds. It locks on cars ahead of you a lot sooner. Same thing with ACC, if the cars on the freeway suddenly stop ahead of you, the Kona waits too long to start braking, and then really slams them on. In fact I don't trust it and start braking myself beforehand. And doesn't matter which steering wheel distance setting I have, they are all too late. In stop and go traffic, ACC in the Kona is almost useless, and still requires you to brake at times. In the Subaru, ACC works great in any traffic, and it is far less stressful in tight stop and go traffic. I can set the distance really close, so cars can't squeeze in front of you, yet it will brake undramatically as required when cars in front stop. And you can set the acceleration also as aggressive as you like to not let them squeeze in on take off. That does not happen with the Kona.

I can drive any way I like with the Subaru, and never any surprises. But it will always stop if necessary without my intervention. It is far, far superior to Hyundai's driver assist.

The Subaru's driver assist is actually better than my son's Tesla, too. His also is not that great in tight stop and go traffic. I think they also only use one forward camera.

Subaru was one of the first cars with driver assist (they call it Eyesight), probably almost 10 years now. They always used dual front cameras. And they keep refining it every year. I think it is still the best out there. So I got a little spoiled before the Kona.
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Interesting.. Didn't know that about Subaru. Never owned one..
 
electriceddy said:
MY 2019 model was a lot more aggressive with FCA (using the same settings) and tended to veer to the center line as well using SCC. The problem has been resolved in my 2021 model to the point it is actually enjoyable and dependable (barring any snow, heavy rain etc on the sensors).
It could not hurt to ask the techs to check the alignment/calibration as BlueKonaEv suggests and at least eliminate that possibility.
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Yeah, but haven't had that issue now for a long time. I probably adapted my driving style. But maybe with all the software updates, they may have adjusted it, too. I think if the cameras were not calibrated, my LKA incl Active wouldn't work either. But they are fine. Just have to be going 60 kph before they are turned on. Those work on my Subaru even at slow speeds, in the city.

As I said, I am not at all unhappy with my Kona. I like it better now than initially. If this battery thing gets resolved, I will want to keep it for a long time. The one pedal driving is esp good for city driving. I hardly ever use the brake, only at the end for the final stop.
 
R P said:
The problem is that Hyundai uses a single camera, while Subaru uses dual stereo cameras which more accurately calculate distances and speeds. It locks on cars ahead of you a lot sooner. Same thing with ACC[...]
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ACC uses forward-facing radar mounted in the front grill to maintain following distance, not the camera. Since you have the same complaint with both the ACC and the AEB (radar and camera respectively) it seems like it's not a problem with the Hyundai system so much as it is using a different calibration than you're used to.
 
srkz said:
ACC uses forward-facing radar mounted in the front grill to maintain following distance, not the camera. Since you have the same complaint with both the ACC and the AEB (radar and camera respectively) it seems like it's not a problem with the Hyundai system so much as it is using a different calibration than you're used to.
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It's just not very precise, that's what I am saying.
 
Unless they replace my Battery with a Higher Mileage Battery I won't let Hyundai touch my car. If you read my prior post on this Forum I started out with a 325 mile range when I leased my car in December 2019. I charged it a few times after that and got the same 325 miles. Not a problem until I got a recall notice for a Battery Safety Issue sometime in January 2020. Like an idiot I took it in and when the dealer finished with the Safety Issue they gave it back with 297 miles of EV range. Yes the battery was Fully Charged. Actually the mileage was going up little by little and I think I got up to 315 miles of EV Range. Then I received a 2nd recall notice for another Battery safety issue which the dealer did in November 2020. As I said my mileage was going up after the 1st battery update but went down again after the 2nd battery update to the 297 level again. Since then I have charged the car approximately 7 or 8 times. The highest EV Mileage I got after all these charges was 311 miles and that was 5 days ago. Despite other members on this forum assuring me (after my 1st post ever on August 5, 2020 based on their experience, my 325 or higher would come back after more charges, it hasn't happened. I remember Bill Carter in a reply to my first post on August 5, 2020 stating: "If you were driving efficiently before the update and continue driving efficiently, you'll see GOM mileage increases with each successive future charge. Before the upgrade, I was happy to see 310 miles per full charge. My last charge yielded just shy of 360 miles, having charged several times now after the update. Don't despair!" to which I replied "WOW". Well, I'm still waiting for two things. My "Wow" Moment and for Hyundai to make me a Buy Back Offer.
 
BaylorBob said:
Unless they replace my Battery with a Higher Mileage Battery I won't let Hyundai touch my car. If you read my prior post on this Forum I started out with a 325 mile range when I leased my car in December 2019. I charged it a few times after that and got the same 325 miles. Not a problem until I got a recall notice for a Battery Safety Issue sometime in January 2020. Like an idiot I took it in and when the dealer finished with the Safety Issue they gave it back with 297 miles of EV range. Yes the battery was Fully Charged. Actually the mileage was going up little by little and I think I got up to 315 miles of EV Range. Then I received a 2nd recall notice for another Battery safety issue which the dealer did in November 2020. As I said my mileage was going up after the 1st battery update but went down again after the 2nd battery update to the 297 level again. Since then I have charged the car approximately 7 or 8 times. The highest EV Mileage I got after all these charges was 311 miles and that was 5 days ago. Despite other members on this forum assuring me (after my 1st post ever on August 5, 2020 based on their experience, my 325 or higher would come back after more charges, it hasn't happened. I remember Bill Carter in a reply to my first post on August 5, 2020 stating: "If you were driving efficiently before the update and continue driving efficiently, you'll see GOM mileage increases with each successive future charge. Before the upgrade, I was happy to see 310 miles per full charge. My last charge yielded just shy of 360 miles, having charged several times now after the update. Don't despair!" to which I replied "WOW". Well, I'm still waiting for two things. My "Wow" Moment and for Hyundai to make me a Buy Back Offer.
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Just wait for the summer to come back...
 
I Live in Southern California. A Cold day here is 60. It is currently 65 and tomorrow it is supposed to be 72. Last week it was in the 80's.
 
CharlyM said:
Just wait for the summer to come back...
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Temperature make a huge difference. It was up 45 degree(7C) today in my part of Canada and my consumption today was 7.1 km/kw or 4.4 miles/kw, 3 weeks ago when it was -22F(-30C) I was barely getting 3 km/kw or 1.9 miles/kw
 
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