Summer vs Winter KWh use

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The NZ importer seems to have avoided the issue despite that we have a few at 350 kW.
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Lars said:
I think we are talking about two things here and possibly mix them up? The advertised charger rating of 100kWh of the 2021 Kona is the ability of the car's charge controller to absorb and pass to the battery up to 100kWh energy. This should be available under certain (OK ideal) conditions and it is not connected to the charge stations ability to pump out power over the car's ability to absorb it. In my case, I mentioned earlier, the charge station's output was rated at 300kWh, it was not shared and the outside ambient temp was around 18C - almost ideal? The car's SOC was around 40%, it was definitely not a hot day. Charging started at 70kWh - not at 100kWh as advertised - and dropped fast. To be honest fast is relative here. I can't recall the exact details, time and SOC when it dropped but it was 'fast'. I need to take more/better notes!
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As far as I know, Hyundai has never advertised that the car is capable of accepting a DC charge at 100 kW. I have only seen a maximum of 77 kW, and I'd be shocked if anyone has gotten significantly above that. Correct me if you've seen a 100 kW rating advertised.

But Hyundai is advertising that the Kona can charge from 0-80% in 54 minutes on a 100 kW charger. That might make it look like it can accept the full 100 kW. But it can't. There just aren't chargers out there that are rated at 77 to 100 kW, so they just simplify the advertising to essentially say you need to use a charger rated at 100 kW or higher in order to take advantage of the Kona's full charging speed.
 
Esprit1st said:
Same with Android. Google opened up Android auto to other developers and plugshare is one of the first ones, too.
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Finally!
This is good news! It cost me $400 to get an iPhone to use it with my Kona. After using it for 3 months, I thin kI will go back to my Nokia 6+
 
Lars said:
Finally!
This is good news! It cost me $400 to get an iPhone to use it with my Kona. After using it for 3 months, I thin kI will go back to my Nokia 6+
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A little bit of topic, but my company phone is Apple and it's the clunkiest user interface I've ever experienced. And I only use it for calls and texts! And it doesn't even work right. [emoji1785]
 
Well, clearly other people manage just fine with them. Once you figure it out you'll find they are very good products overall. They just don't have those three obvious buttons along the bottom.
 
Lars said:
Finally!
This is good news! It cost me $400 to get an iPhone to use it with my Kona. After using it for 3 months, I thin kI will go back to my Nokia 6+
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Update: I tried it today, could not make it work. Android Auto did not show my GPS apps or any other apps than before. (I love HereWeGo. It works super well off-line and it is free. The other is Sygic. Not free but it supports EVs reasonably well.)

If Google just opened up for third party apps, maybe it is too early. The app designers need to catch up to take advantage of the offer.

ChargePoint works on Apple Carplay now.
 
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Lars said:
If Google just opened up for third party apps, maybe it is too early. The app designers need to catch up to take advantage of the offer.
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I believe it's still in beta for Android Auto. I read somewhere that Plugshare is beta testing their app. Hopefully it'll be available soon.
 
KiwiME said:
Well, clearly other people manage just fine with them. Once you figure it out you'll find they are very good products overall. They just don't have those three obvious buttons along the bottom.
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Yes I know there is an Apple cult out there, just like a Tesla cult. And it is OK. For me though the Apple user interface is old, outdated. Takes too long to learn. But hey to each his own. However, I couldn't make my apps to work on Android Auto. On that note, I find Apple interfaces to the car better. - but we are digressing from Winter Driving.
 
Back to Winter Driving. The video in this article deals with the benefits of heat pumps - if any - as well as battery conditioning. It is long and fast. Not easy to follow the subtitles (much easier to watch if you speak German - I don't). Check out the last 3 minutes (from 39 on). Compares how VW and the South Koreans differ in battery heating.

https://insideevs.com/news/460193/nextmove-heat-pump-vw-id3-less-efficient/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+InsideEvs+(Inside+EVs)
 
So I'm starting to think even in mild-climate San Francisco I'm getting a slight effect from colder weather (daytime highs in the mid to upper 50s, lows in the 40s. Through summer and early fall (which tends to be our warmest season), the GOM was giving me a range equal to 295-300 miles at full charge. Now it's in the low 280s, and nothing's changed about the type of driving I do.
 
Bruce M. said:
So I'm starting to think even in mild-climate San Francisco I'm getting a slight effect from colder weather (daytime highs in the mid to upper 50s, lows in the 40s. Through summer and early fall (which tends to be our warmest season), the GOM was giving me a range equal to 295-300 miles at full charge. Now it's in the low 280s, and nothing's changed about the type of driving I do.
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I was shocked until it downed on me that you folks, south of the Great White North are living in a different world, using a different scales. 280 (miles!) is ~448km here. That is way over the 416km range the Kona is rated at. 300 miles is 480km, give or take. What are you driving, a Tesla? ;)
 
Bruce M. said:
So I'm starting to think even in mild-climate San Francisco I'm getting a slight effect from colder weather (daytime highs in the mid to upper 50s, lows in the 40s. Through summer and early fall (which tends to be our warmest season), the GOM was giving me a range equal to 295-300 miles at full charge. Now it's in the low 280s, and nothing's changed about the type of driving I do.
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50s are still in the goldilocks zone. I started to see appreciable differences in range once temps hit low 30'sF and after that it just goes down hill exponentially. It dropped to -22C or -7.4F for me yesterday GOM claimed I had 294km or 184 miles range on a full charge.
 
Lars said:
I was shocked until it downed on me that you folks, south of the Great White North are living in a different world, using a different scales. 280 (miles!) is ~448km here. That is way over the 416km range the Kona is rated at. 300 miles is 480km, give or take. What are you driving, a Tesla? ;)
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Nah, I'm driving a Kona, but have been really impressed by how much it exceeds the EPA estimate. That said, I don't drive with a lead foot and rarely need to use the AC or heat, which helps. It'll be interesting to see if the mild decline in range I've noticed of late continues through the winter. But it won't drop a lot because it never gets seriously cold here -- not in the sense a Canadian or a Minnesotan would understand, at least.
 
Bruce M. said:
Nah, I'm driving a Kona, but have been really impressed by how much it exceeds the EPA estimate. That said, I don't drive with a lead foot and rarely need to use the AC or heat, which helps. It'll be interesting to see if the mild decline in range I've noticed of late continues through the winter. But it won't drop a lot because it never gets seriously cold here -- not in the sense a Canadian or a Minnesotan would understand, at least.
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Not California, but as close as Canadians can get (which is precisely why I love living here)
https://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/Canada/hottest-cities-winter.php :)
Heat is more a "comfort thing" rather than a necessity and the heat pump does an awesome job, consuming minimal energy. Charging rate @ DCFC suffers however as it is not within the "goldilocks zone".
 
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Lars said:
This is a "Tesla story" but applies to all EV drivers. Maybe more to none Tesla drivers. Non Tesla chargers have a habit of not working reliably. (Advantage Tesla)

https://insideevs.com/news/460919/canada-tesla-driver-failed-supercharge-30c-weather/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+InsideEvs+(Inside+EVs)

The moral of the story? Plan ahead. Never, ever let your battery go 'too low'. Particulalry in the winter.
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Proving that access to public L2 charging is a necessity and must not be overlooked. In addition I might add until the infrastructure supports it, an equivalent balance of AC machines conveniently provided not be networked (requiring app or RFID) for emergency situations such as this. If our government wants to achieve our climate goals, subsidies must be provided (as they are now) and ongoing.;)
 
electriceddy said:
Proving that access to public L2 charging is a necessity and must not be overlooked. In addition I might add until the infrastructure supports it, an equivalent balance of AC machines conveniently provided not be networked (requiring app or RFID) for emergency situations such as this. If our government wants to achieve our climate goals, subsidies must be provided (as they are now) and ongoing.;)
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In my humble opinion no chargers should be "networked", that is requiring app or RFI, to 'fill up'. If a charging network want to build customer loyalty, offer apps or RFID but don't make their use mandatory. Gas stations have figured this out long time ago. On that note once gas stations get on the bandwagon most of today's charging networks will become white elephants. Gas stops already have enough power, for at least for a couple of 40 Amp L2 chargers. I think Petro Canada has already figured this out. Their L3 chargers are not cheap (C$20/hr) but so what if there are reliable? BP and Shell in Europe are already involved with charge networks.
 
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