That RAV4 Prime in Lexus clothing gets only 37 EPA "all-electric" miles. Your neighbor has a well-controlled right ankle.
Speculative article on 2024 SE
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Puppethead
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Even though California's new standards allow for 20% PHEVs, I'd be surprised if there's that large of a demand for them by 2035. A lot of charging infrastructure will be happening by then.
Unfortunately, there will be a number of people who will complain about "losing Amuricun jobs" to factories in other countries. They are the same people who complained about buggy whip makers losing their jobs. Sigh. I can only hope that 2030 is not too late.
SameGuy
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Just as your 2020 SE gets “only” 110 EPA miles. The new EPA/NRCan circuit is based on a “real world” of heavy right feet.
Having decided to cancel my SE order I am hoping for the best with the next gen model. Given the poor reliability of charging stations, the range on the SE would have made 180-200 mile drives to see family a major hassle. I do wish the SE could have been tweaked to even 160-180 mile real range. Now instead of range anxiety I’m hoping the next gen model won’t disappoint.
The loss of the $7,500 EV tax credit and the jump to 27.5% import tariff the US imposes on Chinese vehicles, the 2024 SE might be too expensive to bring to the US.
IMO, the current SE's small battery is a feature, not a bug. There are plenty of EVs (Bolt is the least expensive) that can get you to the family without stopping to charge along the way. The SE is built for fun--have you driven one? If the SE would be your only car, it would make weekly family visits more difficult than with a Bolt. Again, IMO, if you like driving fun cars, tell the dealer you've reconsidered your cancelation. You can always sell the SE later (perhaps at a profit) if the fun doesn't offset the inconvenience.
I don’t disagree about the fun factor. Or that the range is a bug. It’s just a reality that impacts the overall value of the vehicle to me personally. And I have plenty of fun in my nearly 40 mpg new Hardtop. I definitely would prefer a MINI EV, just not this one. I imagine, for example, very late winter nights driving home from a family visit and having to leave the highway to find a charger in a deserted parking lot. ( a reality given extremely limited charging on main routes where I travel). That would pretty much cancel out any fun unfortunately.
teslarati97
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Absolutely. I would get range anxiety in a Ford F-150 Lightning base model. That's why I added $34,000 ($80,974 MSRP) to upgrade to the extended range to give me *hopefully* 137 miles of range in the winter (~1.04mi/kWh) with that 131kWh battery pack.
Did the math for 5% APR with Ford Credit for 60 months and it will end up being $97,652. Good thing that $7,500 will come in handy!
Did the math for 5% APR with Ford Credit for 60 months and it will end up being $97,652. Good thing that $7,500 will come in handy!
I see your points, there are several routes around me that have 1 maybe 2 chargers and if they go down the SE is stranded. Not talking road trip, but like an hour or two east/west outside of the metro.
I am hoping the next 2 door isn't Aceman design language, on top of an Ora Good Cat, with tariffs and lack of rebates compounding on top. Seems more likely than less at this point.
Jim In Tucson
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We may see some changes at MINI, as well as other EU and UK manufacturers. I would not be surprised if MINI were to decide to continue producing the SE at the Oxford plant specifically for the UK, EU and USA markets. The China tariff, lack of tax credit, and round-the-globe shipping costs may drive MINI to to rethink their global strategy.
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CuriousGeorge
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Again, that would require delaying introduction of the next-gen G66 ICE as well. Given that the F56 platform is already ancient by modern automotive standards, I just don't see that happening.
Jim In Tucson
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Assuming next gen ICE will accept the same ICE engine as the current gen, then we could conclude that the SE drivetrain would simply bolt right in.
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Wouldn't the UK, Europe, and Canada prefer the smaller, lighter, quicker, longer-range Great Wall Motor SE? Would the US continue buying the no-federal-EV-tax-credit Oxford SE knowing it doesn't measure up to the one the IRA and import tariffs made too expensive to sell in the US?
Rexsio
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I believe only hard core Mini Cooper SE fun’s owners/ buyers buying SE in todays configuration and the most important was attractive $30000 base price after loosing a rebate's and add a tariffs that car is done in USA as we know we like much larger vehicles .I don’t know statistics but how many SEs was sold in USA throughout 2020/21/22/ my only guess 25000 ??? I’m checking internet and seeing more used SE for sale models from 20/21/22 with very low milages also 2023 showing there with few miles but used ones.Prices from $31000 to $42000 for signature edition .When I pic up mine in January 3 /2022 having some issues with dealer my car was not on order just randomly purchase bc someone resigned from buying I promise my dealer that in 2 years he have to enlarge his lot bc will be so many SES used ones for sale .
Cindy B
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I wholeheartedly agree. It's still one of the cheapest EVs (in the base trim) available. It is also still in a class by itself when compared to other electric sports cars.