[QUOTE="Landshark, post: 127765, member: 17174"It’s on the buyer to learn these things and there is, and has been, plenty of information available on the subject..
Sort of.., there is a ton of information on this forum. Much of it is from the EVs-are-perfect-for-everyone" crowd and not honest. That was the point of the OP. Real life expedite should be posed here and not be dismissed so other can learn.
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As you can see (hopefully) from the picture I have almost 38k miles and I wake up to 34 miles of EV charge. I know all the standard disclaimers....freeway vs. city, hills vs. flat, warm vs. cold (SoCal....so....rarely cold)....blah blah blah. The sad truth is that 34 is pretty accurate for me. I EV it to the freeway, HV it to work, and then EV it all the way home. I never make it all the way home.
This is getting weird. Now the quote from Recoil45 is showing as my quote on the above post by TomL.
I drive mostly EV only, but mostly freeway / 60mph+ roads, so I too also get ~34mpc (miles per charge). Its ~50-60f year round here as well.
The lack of EV range is the only thing that really bothers me with the car and wish had been improved in newer models as battery tech and EV in general *should have improved*. But looks like even 2021 models are similar to my 2018.
I drive mostly EV only, but mostly freeway / 60mph+ roads, so I too also get ~34mpc (miles per charge). Its ~50-60f year round here as well.
I drive same as everyone else, since its usually freeway 65-70 with the flow of traffic, and 60+ on non-freeway but other roads I travel often where that is the speed limit.At what speeds do you typically drive on those 60mph+ roads?
Have you always obtained 34 EV miles since the car was new, or has range decreased over time?
I've always gotten under 40, very rarely has it shown 40+ and that was with mix of HV so not really 40 on an actual battery charge.
That is disappointing. We’re you given the full PDI report that included the battery capacity at the time of delivery? Have you had a dealer provide you with a battery capacity reading recently? Typically they’ll want to charge a diagnostic fee if $140. You may be able to persuade them to do it at no cost by voicing your concerns, or if it’s the dealer from which you purchased the vehicle, they may provide the information at no cost.
I can remember back during the late 1960s when Volkswagen was advertising their bugs and Karmann Ghias were rated somewhere near 30 mpg, which sounded reasonable for that size of car/engine combination. But, of course, they never got that in "real world" driving. In the fine print that the mpg numbers sent you to at the bottom of the advertisement, they clearly stated that the estimate was based on the DIN standard—level ground, ½ payload at a steady ¾ of top speed. Hardly real world.Do people not notice that the MPG ratings on their ICE vehicles never seem to accurately match real world driving?
I can remember back during the late 1960s when Volkswagen was advertising their bugs and Karmann Ghias were rated somewhere near 30 mpg, which sounded reasonable for that size of car/engine combination. But, of course, they never got that in "real world" driving. In the fine print that the mpg numbers sent you to at the bottom of the advertisement, they clearly stated that the estimate was based on the DIN standard—level ground, ½ payload at a steady ¾ of top speed. Hardly real world.
In defense of the old VW's everywhere, the add above only claimed 25mpg. I just drove my '72 300 miles and averaged 27mpg, but it was flat I-5/hwy 101 going 60-65mph which is probably 110% the typical top speed.
They respond noticeably better actually. I was very surprised by the difference. I will quote the tire guy here as I believe it is accurate...."Those EV tires are trash."I believe from the data we've seen so far that there's typically an early significant drop in battery capacity, then much less over time.
But regardless yeah, the car seems to be mid-40s in "good" EV conditions and mid-30s in "bad" EV conditions. I also wish I knew more about the significantly harsh heating & speed costs in EV mode, but on the other hand it's understandable too. Really though yeah, driving in the 70s in EV mode is just really inefficient, unfortunately. If you can't optimize ~40-45 miles on your daily commute to spend at lower speeds in EV mode and then PHEV for the rest, I'm not sure you can do much more.
I do also have to say though, at least I'm glad that I got the Clarity and not one of those chintzy "20 mile range" PHEVs instead, because then you may be looking at a sad 15 miles or so of EV range in poor conditions.
Edit: Also, your new tires may be reducing the range another 10% or so, from what I've heard. Even with the hit, I'm planning to do the same though once these are worn. How does the car feel and respond so far with those?
I used to get 44 EV miles at 75 MPH when I first purchased the vehicle.It is unlikely that this prediction will come true.
Perhaps Aaron could inform us as to whether or not he ever achieved 47 EV miles at 75mph. In my experience ~40 miles is the EV range at that speed, under ideal conditions such as 70F, relatively flat terrain and no wind.
I can only speak for my vehicle, but after 20 months and 17K miles, I’m regularly getting 47 EV miles at speeds of 60-65mph. I used to cover that distance and have 5-8 EV miles remaining as opposed to 0-2, but that was pre-Covid and traffic was much slower.
The battery is at 49.9Ah, it once sat, fully charged for 6 months, the rest of the time it has gone through a daily, L1, full or nearly full charge cycle. I’d estimate that 13-14K miles have been driven in EV. In my opinion, it is holding up quite well.
I don't know about other people but I think the difference is that EV vehicles sell themselves as MPG savers and so when you buy an MPG saver you are expecting to save MPG....which you are....but as advertised. I think there is also a lot of confusion on how....specifically.....EV's work. People have a vague idea that they use batteries....and that batteries degrade.....but not to the extent that we are seeing in real life. It's a theory. It might be wrong.Do people not notice that the MPG ratings on their ICE vehicles never seem to accurately match real world driving? Or that their mileage drops during the winter? Or that overall MPG drops over time as the vehicle ages? This double-standard concerns me: We seem to rush to crucify EVs for things that we readily accept in ICE vehicles...