Range vs Charging speed, why no innovation?

[ENirogus]

After living with my ENiro for 5 years I have to say, for anyone with less than 100 miles daily , mid 200 range is fine, but the slow DCFC performance would be a drag on a long trip. While new cars are much better, why are we not seeing improvements in DCFC speeds?
THe Ionic5 came out 5 years ago with a 18 minute 10-80 and I would expect to see more improvements. Big battery packs that don't get used when if you had a Niro like range and say sub 15 minute DC charging, it would seem like a win. You are spending on software and 800 volt silicon to get the DC speeds but saving on lithium which is still expensive.

 

[insightman]

After living with my ENiro for 5 years I have to say, for anyone with less than 100 miles daily , mid 200 range is fine, but the slow DCFC performance would be a drag on a long trip. While new cars are much better, why are we not seeing improvements in DCFC speeds?
THe Ionic5 came out 5 years ago with a 18 minute 10-80 and I would expect to see more improvements. Big battery packs that don't get used when if you had a Niro like range and say sub 15 minute DC charging, it would seem like a win. You are spending on software and 800 volt silicon to get the DC speeds but saving on lithium which is still expensive.

Perhaps when 1,500 kW charging stations become common, more manufacturers will offer vehicles that can charge an EV from 10% to 97% in 9 minutes, like BYD's "Flash Charging" system can do.

I assume, however, quick-charging convenience would come at a cost. How much extra would you be willing to pay to use a 1,500 kW charging station?

 

[ENirogus]

Perhaps when 1,500 kW charging stations become common, more manufacturers will offer vehicles that can charge an EV from 10% to 97% in 9 minutes, like BYD's "Flash Charging" system can do.

I assume, however, quick-charging convenience would come at a cost. How much extra would you be willing to pay to use a 1,500 kW charging station?

I am not sure that either of these things are true.
First it is the charging curve that mostly determines the total speed. An Ionic 5 is peaking in the low mid 200 kw range. No need for larger than 350kw chargers. A 350kw charger has the capacity to charge 50 kw in 10 minutes, if the system could take it.

What cost? The EV6/ionic 5 are 40k MSRP cars.
Point being the software and hardware used would be offset by less battery.
These were developed 5 years ago and still remain at the top of the charging speed list[for USA cars]

As I see it with adoption of EVs charging speed, not range, becomes the problem. If you can drop the charging time, it lowers the number of charging stations required, since on say, a holiday weekend, the rest stop chargers are going to max out and if everyone can charge in 15 minutes instead of 30[or 50 in the Niro] then you need half as many stalls to service the customers.

 

[Caceith]

I am not sure that either of these things are true.
First it is the charging curve that mostly determines the total speed. An Ionic 5 is peaking in the low mid 200 kw range. No need for larger than 350kw chargers. A 350kw charger has the capacity to charge 50 kw in 10 minutes, if the system could take it.

What cost? The EV6/ionic 5 are 40k MSRP cars.
Point being the software and hardware used would be offset by less battery.
These were developed 5 years ago and still remain at the top of the charging speed list[for USA cars]

As I see it with adoption of EVs charging speed, not range, becomes the problem. If you can drop the charging time, it lowers the number of charging stations required, since on say, a holiday weekend, the rest stop chargers are going to max out and if everyone can charge in 15 minutes instead of 30[or 50 in the Niro] then you need half as many stalls to service the customers. By the way, adapting to new digital technologies and payment systems often raises similar questions about speed and convenience. For example, in the online entertainment sector, users are also looking for the fastest possible ways to complete transactions so they don’t have to wait hours for data to be processed. If you’re trying to understand PayID deposits for online casinos, this is the guide that helped me: payiddeposit.com online casino PayID deposit guide. I was confused by vague casino cashier pages, but the explanation there made the process easier to follow. It’s a decent reference before you start comparing individual sites.

All of your statements are technically and economically accurate, and the logic you describe reflects the actual state of affairs in the electric vehicle industry. The models based on the E-GMP platform (the Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6) have revolutionized the industry precisely because of their balance between charging speed and cost, proving that infrastructure optimization depends on how long a vehicle remains at a charging station.