North Poll aka Canada ;): Clarity delivery ETA wait times
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Well maybe in some cases BUT like mine they led me to believe that I WILL have a base model, the only issue was going to be time. Never they mentioned that Honda Canada put a cap per dealer and never was any mention of issues from Honda Canada not giving them the real picture. I picked what I wanted, give me a price for my trade in, picked my options, gave deposit, signed and then told me we will call you when it's inn between then and September.
iluvscuba
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Anti-devil's advocate.... It is possible that they have no base trim left except several of us ordered between Jan and March. If they don't have any, they can say so and we will get a different car. Now we really don't have a choice as our back are against the wall so to speak as the election is next week. They literally locked us in if we want to make sure we get the maximum Ontario rebate.
As to Honda dealer vs Honda Canada, I really don't care. When I contacted my dealer, they said they don't know and ask me to check with Honda Canada. When I contacted Honda Canada, they ask me to contact my dealer which is a total runaround.
There were a several dealers that are known to have grossly oversold and that was a bad thing.....they didn't care about the customer or how they were screwing you over. They just believed that things would work out despite evidence to the contrary and if they didn't, oh well, no loss to them.
Posting here how you want them to offer you the bait & switch thing in writing so they can be trapped.......it is not like the dealer isn't reading this forum.
The rest of us just have to wait a bit.
Those dealers that oversold or traded away their clients cars their statements about production being stopped and no more being made and no one that doesn't have a VIN will have the sale fall through.....those are statements made in their own self interest and are all but worthless.
Posting here how you want them to offer you the bait & switch thing in writing so they can be trapped.......it is not like the dealer isn't reading this forum.
The rest of us just have to wait a bit.
Those dealers that oversold or traded away their clients cars their statements about production being stopped and no more being made and no one that doesn't have a VIN will have the sale fall through.....those are statements made in their own self interest and are all but worthless.
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Honda didn’t ‘run out’ of base models, they chose not to build as many as there were orders.
They also chose to build unordered tourings when there was outstanding orders for base models.
I don’t accept a ‘sorry we ran out’ defence.
Sure it can be argued that the blame it partially the dealership and partially Honda Canada. But if they don’t work out amongst themselves how to make it right, then a judge should decide the liability.
In the grand scheme of things, Honda would be wise to just say all 2018 orders will be filled with a 2019 and if the rebate is gone, Honda will compensate the dealership for the additional price discount required to make the customer whole. Saves everyone the time of court.
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They also chose to build unordered tourings when there was outstanding orders for base models.
I don’t accept a ‘sorry we ran out’ defence.
Sure it can be argued that the blame it partially the dealership and partially Honda Canada. But if they don’t work out amongst themselves how to make it right, then a judge should decide the liability.
In the grand scheme of things, Honda would be wise to just say all 2018 orders will be filled with a 2019 and if the rebate is gone, Honda will compensate the dealership for the additional price discount required to make the customer whole. Saves everyone the time of court.
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do you know the law on this?
There is no law that says how they should make it right.
But if they don’t, and you have suffered damages as a result of their breach of contract (failure to deliver agreed upon product in a reasonable period of time), then the law of contract comes into play.
I am happy to discuss offline if we actually end up needing to sue when the time comes. I may even have a lawyer friend in Ottawa willing to represent those that don’t feel comfortable in small claims court themselves. If we can group similar people together it may be worthwhile for my lawyer friend yet low cost to the individuals.
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No offense but from what you posted it does not sound like you know the law on this.
I don't. I would like it to be what you say but am not convinced on what has to be proven or what is available as compensation.
I am interested in hearing examples on this or providing them if they come my way.
I don't. I would like it to be what you say but am not convinced on what has to be proven or what is available as compensation.
I am interested in hearing examples on this or providing them if they come my way.
lorem101
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Looks like the PC party is going to cancel the cap-and-trade, from their site:
https://www.ontariopc.ca/
Edit: to be clear, cap-and-trade funds the EVHIP, if it's scrapped then most likely so is our $13k incentive
https://www.ontario.ca/page/cap-and-trade-ontario
https://www.ontariopc.ca/
Edit: to be clear, cap-and-trade funds the EVHIP, if it's scrapped then most likely so is our $13k incentive
https://www.ontario.ca/page/cap-and-trade-ontario
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That’s fine. We can agree to disagree. I’m not a lawyer so it’s not like I am trying to earn business. I’ll only be representing myself.
If you are correct, and you cannot sue for damages as a result of a breach of contract, then why would anyone create contracts in the first place???
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Without knowing what the contract states or what the law is it is just "that's not fair!". Giving the Ministry of Government Services or a lawyer a call would be a good first step. The APP may also be inclined to provide info.
Rush to court if you like but without details you will waste everyone's time and lose.
Encourage others they have right they don't and you are just causing them a problem too.
Here is an example regarding rebates but U.S. law. Guy bought the car on Jan 1st. Dealer backdated it to December 31st. Guy lost his $7500 tax credit because it had no value for him that previous year, he was maxed. Guy was right but the law states the rebate was not real money so no damages.
There is no rushing to court. As of yet we have not suffered any damages. Well maybe some wasted time but the courts generally don’t care about wasted time in awarding damages. I am not telling anyone to rush to court. Statute of limitations on this issue would be 2 years from the date you suffered the damages, which is a date still in the future so we don’t have to worry about a clock yet.
I was the guy on that $7,500 tax credit post who explained why he couldn’t win at that point in time.
I like to have faith that it will all work out. I like to believe I’ll get a 2019 for the price I paid for the 218 and the tax credit will still be around. Any slight differences in cost/rebate will somehow be worked out in my favour.
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I hope it works out for you, me and all without a big hassle.
You are still jumping to conclusions. You do not know which thread I read on this and now you know a U.S. states law enough to tell someone they couldn't win?
I hope it works out for you, me and all without a big hassle.
Well I was able to reach Honda Canada with an agent that wanted to talk!!!
The agent confirmed that they is currently no more 2018 getting build.
I explained our situation and the agent was surprised.
I'm in Quebec so I'm not impacted ( I hope not ) by the election to cut the subventions. But I explain to her that everyone that have orders from Ontarian are at risk of loosing that grant if a resolution is not settle for the 2019 orders.
The agent said that the director of sales of each dealer as access to the province inventory and can call to get the other provinces inventory.
Sadly the only way to pass a message to the REGIONAL representative of Honda is true the dealers sales director.
I have the full recording but it's in french.
The agent told me to call the Sales director and as ask him to confirm the inventory and what is the plan.
SORRY, no good news.
Only thing I forgot to asked and could probably not answer is if there was like a last batch on the ship between Japon and Canada.
The agent confirmed that they is currently no more 2018 getting build.
I explained our situation and the agent was surprised.
I'm in Quebec so I'm not impacted ( I hope not ) by the election to cut the subventions. But I explain to her that everyone that have orders from Ontarian are at risk of loosing that grant if a resolution is not settle for the 2019 orders.
The agent said that the director of sales of each dealer as access to the province inventory and can call to get the other provinces inventory.
Sadly the only way to pass a message to the REGIONAL representative of Honda is true the dealers sales director.
I have the full recording but it's in french.
The agent told me to call the Sales director and as ask him to confirm the inventory and what is the plan.
SORRY, no good news.
Only thing I forgot to asked and could probably not answer is if there was like a last batch on the ship between Japon and Canada.
How many threads here dealt with the situation you described? Only 1 that I know of. So how is it not a reasonable conclusion?
US law, state or federal, is still grounded on the same common law principles as Canada. While jurisprudence and legislation created in one doesn’t apply to the other, they are all based on the same fundamental principles. How one must establish negligence to win a case is universal between the countries.
I’m not a lawyer but I have worked for 10+ years dealing with legalese and case law on a daily basis.
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The director of sales has access, and the managers don't know about this? They must be aware but think it's too much of a hassle... Maybe I'll get in touch with my dealership's sales manager again. Thanks for finding out for us, even though you're not impacted by the Ontario rebate program.
It wasn't here and the Internet is a big place, you don't know all of it.
Another SMH on that one. Know your limits.
I stayed at a Holiday in last night.
People are already upset. No need to get them more riled up.
You can put together a presentable argument on the contract you signed and Ontario law and I will gladly read it. It would help people.
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i explicitly asked my sales
guy why he hadn't contacted other dealers for availability or looked for inventory. he responded "the clarity is special order only and doesn't show up in the inventory system between dealers only individual dealerships can see their orders" (now granted he was specifically referencing the fact that dealers had to order clarity's and then get an allocation from Honda and so was trying to say he couldn't see the orders. so if a rural dealer ordered one (without a customer in line for the car) AND got an allocation there was no way to see it on the system, until it arrived at the dealership and at that point it was likely too late as they were getting snatched up. The other thing that is happening are dealerships realizing that they have the last remaining cars and are jacking up there prices or asking customers to bid on them. (the last few quebec cars are being offered this way.) It's obvious (just like the e-golf fiasco ...see there situation, it's the same as this) a total cluster$&@k by Honda Canada to manage their supply line.
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Chris Messer
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I contacted my dealer here in Quebec (Levis) to look into it. Up until now he's been very confident, it will be interesting to see what comes back. They do still have their demo touring, so it will be interesting to see what he has to say if no car is coming.
iluvscuba
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I hope everyone is voting for NDP next week. As long as PC does not get a majority, they can't really do a lot...
BTW I just read a news report about a professor did a calculation of what the PC budget plan (what little they provide) will do to the deficit and conclude that the PC will run a much bigger deficit compare to the Liberal and NDP by the 3rd and 4th year in office
BTW I just read a news report about a professor did a calculation of what the PC budget plan (what little they provide) will do to the deficit and conclude that the PC will run a much bigger deficit compare to the Liberal and NDP by the 3rd and 4th year in office