Next generation (J01) MINI Cooper revealed
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CuriousGeorge
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I get around 4, but that's due to flat terrain, moderate temps, and not using A/C.
Regardless, I agree that the J01 SE is unlikely to much more efficient that the F56 SE (although every little bit helps).
SameGuy
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Yeah I'm in the low fives under the proper conditions at or below double-nickel speeds. The new car's Cd is marginally better than that of the F56 (0.28 vs 0.30), but with a larger frontal area the difference is moot. If the new batteries have a lower energy density, then the F56 will definitely be more efficient in stop-and-go thanks to its smaller mass, and perhaps even at steady highway speeds due to the J01's negligible aerodynamic advantage.
kicksology
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According to this article at Car and Driver...
BMW has an announced an agreement to adopt Tesla's NACS charge port starting in early 2025. This plan extends to BMW's subsidiaries, Mini and Rolls-Royce. Existing EVs with the CCS-type port will also be compatible with Tesla's supercharger network through an adapter.
I don't think Mini has said anything concrete about availability of the next-gen Cooper electric in the US yet, but the above suggests strongly that when it does become available in the States, it will come with a NACS port.
As an aside, even as someone who absolutely loves my 2022 Cooper SE, I think the sentiment on this board towards the new SE is too harsh. They managed to very nearly double its range while keeping its dimensions effectively unchanged and with, by most accounts, only a small impact on the driving experience. While I wouldn't trade in my SE for today's J01, I do still think the new car represents an impressive achievement given how important range is to new/prospective EV buyers.
CuriousGeorge
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I can't speak for others, but my attitude is "wait and see".
That said, it is more like a 2/3rds increase in range, with, by all accounts so far, an apparently noticable impact on the driving experience.
Is it worth it? I would have to experience the J01 myself to personally answer that question, but it is really a moot point since it won't be a available in the US until late 2026 at the earliest.
Therein lies the issue. Range really is immaterial for the vast majority of users. The media has done a great job inventing an issue which doesn't matter There will always be people who do 15000km per day at 500kph and need a fusion powered car to get that done. For the rest of us, we probably only do the standard daily average. I personally charge once a week, meaning if the battery were say 5 times smaller I could still drive the beast.
What do I prize most from the f56? The fun. The darty, nimble, insane handling is just fun. You don't need to go at 200mph to enjoy this thing. Doing 60kph round a roundabout is just fun. I will *never* trade range for fun which is why I am so dissapointed with the j01. If you think I am being negative, it is actually because I care about MINI, not the other way around. I am just ....... disappointed.
Guess not. I was foolishly remembering the WLTP range.
CuriousGeorge
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I actually find the WLTP estimate more accurate than the EPA estimate.* But, for overall mixed driving, not highway cruising.
*For the F56 SE, that is.
"Bounds about roundabouts, quietly acting out," is my motto. When I'm doing that, however, I'm always reminded how heavy my SE is compared to all of my previous sportscars.
I paid nearly $2K for a slightly lighter, slightly more aerodynamic hood--I'd fork over $15K for a 200-lb lighter, 110-mile, solid-state battery in a second. I don't know if a solid-state battery could pare that much weight, however.
Puppethead
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5.3 mi/kWh is easy for me in my F56 SE in the summer, without any conservation measures. I travel at 60-70 mph and get that no problem. I don't know if the J01 will be as efficient, though.
Puppethead
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Well I doubt we'll see the J01 (or Aceman) anywhere in North America for a few years. Canada is imposing 100% tariff on Chinese EVs, just like the US.
Trudeau says Canada will slap big tariffs on Chinese-made EVs
Trudeau says Canada will slap big tariffs on Chinese-made EVs
Rexsio
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. Solid state battery in Austria price $ 60000 and a price of BMW I 3
fishbert
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BMW Blog reviews the new J01 Cooper SE
https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/09/06/2024-mini-cooper-se-vs-f56-electric-comparison/
Conclusion:
https://www.bmwblog.com/2024/09/06/2024-mini-cooper-se-vs-f56-electric-comparison/
Conclusion:
I was surprised and disappointed that Motorweek host John Davis, a MINI owner himself, opted to present only driving impressions test of the SE rather than measuring its performance like they do routinely with drab SUVs. I shouldn't have been surprised because Motorweek did the same thing to the seminal gen-1 Insight.
At least on major magazine, Car and Driver (in my hometown), was willing to report the 6.2-second time to 60 they measured. I'm looking forward to their test of the US version of the J01, which of course, will not happen for a long time.
Motoring File reports the returning President's threat of new tariffs has delayed the North American arrival of the MINI J01 and J05 indefinitely, if not forever.
The incoming US administration has promised tariffs on all imported goods, which could pose a huge hurdle for the MINI brand in general, let alone the J01 and J05. Such tariffs could make any imported MINI either prohibitively expensive or lead to major profit losses for BMW.
Even if European tariffs don’t materialize, MINI faces another significant challenge. To avoid US tariffs, even UK-produced cars will need to be made from components sourced outside of China. This means MINI will need to source hundreds of critical components elsewhere, a task that requires extensive time and planning.
The incoming US administration has promised tariffs on all imported goods, which could pose a huge hurdle for the MINI brand in general, let alone the J01 and J05. Such tariffs could make any imported MINI either prohibitively expensive or lead to major profit losses for BMW.
Even if European tariffs don’t materialize, MINI faces another significant challenge. To avoid US tariffs, even UK-produced cars will need to be made from components sourced outside of China. This means MINI will need to source hundreds of critical components elsewhere, a task that requires extensive time and planning.
teslarati97
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It's not like the administration can just impose a tariff at free will.
Section 301 of the Trade Act (1974) was used in 2019 for the China tariffs, but it's going to have to meet the criteria that the UK burdens/restricts commerce. Doubtful at best. Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act (1962) was used for steel/aluminum imports but the requirement is a deemed threat to national security. Also unlikely. Finally there's Section 338 of the Tariff Act (1930) to the maximum of 50% value, but there would have to be factual evidence of unfair discrimination specifically to USA commerce or USA products. The last time that was ever used as a threat was 1949 with China. What did the UK ever do to USA???
I would like some maris piper potatoes from the UK so I can have real chips instead of Freedom Fries with my haddock.
Section 301 of the Trade Act (1974) was used in 2019 for the China tariffs, but it's going to have to meet the criteria that the UK burdens/restricts commerce. Doubtful at best. Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act (1962) was used for steel/aluminum imports but the requirement is a deemed threat to national security. Also unlikely. Finally there's Section 338 of the Tariff Act (1930) to the maximum of 50% value, but there would have to be factual evidence of unfair discrimination specifically to USA commerce or USA products. The last time that was ever used as a threat was 1949 with China. What did the UK ever do to USA???
I would like some maris piper potatoes from the UK so I can have real chips instead of Freedom Fries with my haddock.
