next-gen Mini SE

CuriousGeorge said:
Mini SE will have ~250 WLTP miles of range
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Everything I've read indicated WLTP range is notoriously inaccurate, on the high side. EPA seems much more realistic, and the SE actually does better than its EPA rating.

This chart is not flattering for the WLTP range numbers:

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I find the WLTP as a best case scenario if the weather cooperated and your drove perfectly on flat terrain. EPA seems more all over the place with Tesla usually having worse performance than their EPA rating (which again as the chart above shows has some cars with worse WLTP than the EPA) while most having better performance than their EPA rating. Probably the most famous is the Porsche Taycan which gets about a 200 EPA rating but can easily get more, with tests confirming numbers closer to the WLTP.
 
Lainey said:
Too early for any real numbers IMO. My gut says that's wishful thinking.

The battery including wiring and such is about 440 pounds.
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Thanks. That would make the current SE's energy density to be about 0.16 kWh/kg, which seems comparable to other EVs. To increase the (claimed) range by 70% would therefore seem to require either new battery tech or more weight (or both). Or as you say, a bit range increase is wishful thinking.
 
CuriousGeorge said:
Thanks. That would make the current SE's energy density to be about 0.16 kWh/kg, which seems comparable to other EVs. To increase the (claimed) range by 70% would therefore seem to require either new battery tech or more weight (or both). Or as you say, a bit range increase is wishful thinking.
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I did look back and saw numbers in summer of 2019 for the 2020. So I imagine a year out or less we'll get legit numbers.
 
CarBuzz speculates that one of the spy shots shows the car is sporting the dual-screen layout of the BMW. Will the iconic Mini dash layout be going away?

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With the increased rake on the A pillar, the narrowing of the rear window and the large screens, it is looking more like a Bolt than a Mini
 
Lainey said:
Maybe in that pic only. Honestly it's very much a Mini to me in looks.
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Like the designers who define new iterations of the Porsche 911, Oliver Heilmer has a tough task making changes without losing what makes a MINI a MINI.

I often wonder what the man who created the MINI, the late Alec Issigonis, would say about his baby at age 62. I'm sure he'd be happy to learn BMW wants to make the car smaller than it is now.
 
Note the wikipedia photo of Alec Issigonis shows the first MINI decked out in grille badges and rally lights. One failure of the SE design is the closed-off nose that prevents such adornments which are part of the MINI spirit.

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Puppethead said:
Note the wikipedia photo of Alec Issigonis shows the first MINI decked out in grille badges and rally lights. One failure of the SE design is the closed-off nose that prevents such adornments which are part of the MINI spirit.

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At the same time I like that it looks like an EV. I'm sure there will be ways to get around that if you really wanted badges. TBH I never bothered on my last one. THe 2022 will have a very ICE looking front end at least.
 
Lainey said:
I'm sure there will be ways to get around that if you really wanted badges.
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Haven't found a solution yet (short of drilling holes), and I've been searching. Waiting for it to get warm enough to start dismantling things.

I was never interested in badges until the SE, and the harder it is to do the more I want to! Plus last week I finally realized the yellow E logo on the front is supposed to be a grille badge.
 
Puppethead said:
Haven't found a solution yet (short of drilling holes), and I've been searching. Waiting for it to get warm enough to start dismantling things.

I was never interested in badges until the SE, and the harder it is to do the more I want to! Plus last week I finally realized the yellow E logo on the front is supposed to be a grille badge.
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Is there a way to put them in the slot? Just thinking out loud. I haven't messed with them at all to know.
 
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