Mike's wife's monthly Kona EV efficiency report
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navguy12
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Nov 2022 results:
Operating costs this month:
Summary costs as of 30 Nov 2022:
Total operating costs, per km (total costs minus capex costs):
$3.8570 - $3.5197 = $0.3373/km
Discussion: While getting the winter tires re-balanced at the local (new for us since we moved six months ago) Hyundai dealership, I inquired about the pending (Aug 2023) 36 month remove and replace the (blue, non-conductive) battery coolant. The current quote for a single two litre bottle (14 litres needed) was $CAD 212.00 plus 13% HST; the labour is two hours.
By a stroke of good luck, @apu was in possession of six (two litre) bottles of the blue coolant which he was selling on the classifieds thread, so I now have a box of 12 litres of the coolant waiting for the service to be performed in Aug 2023 (costs for same will show up for Aug 2023 data); I did confirm with the dealership that they have no issue with me supplying my own coolant (as long as it is the correct stuff).
Many Hyundai EV owners will be happy once a second supplier of the blue coolant comes online; the costs of the current supply continue to spiral.
Operating costs this month:
Summary costs as of 30 Nov 2022:
Total operating costs, per km (total costs minus capex costs):
$3.8570 - $3.5197 = $0.3373/km
Discussion: While getting the winter tires re-balanced at the local (new for us since we moved six months ago) Hyundai dealership, I inquired about the pending (Aug 2023) 36 month remove and replace the (blue, non-conductive) battery coolant. The current quote for a single two litre bottle (14 litres needed) was $CAD 212.00 plus 13% HST; the labour is two hours.
By a stroke of good luck, @apu was in possession of six (two litre) bottles of the blue coolant which he was selling on the classifieds thread, so I now have a box of 12 litres of the coolant waiting for the service to be performed in Aug 2023 (costs for same will show up for Aug 2023 data); I did confirm with the dealership that they have no issue with me supplying my own coolant (as long as it is the correct stuff).
Many Hyundai EV owners will be happy once a second supplier of the blue coolant comes online; the costs of the current supply continue to spiral.
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So $3,000 CDN plus 2 hours @ $160 for a total of $3288.00 plus taxes and whatever misc. shop charges every 3 years.
I don't think so...looks like I will wait for the 60K limit, as this kind of expense is outrageous. Add to that the usual brake services and fluid replacements. and this car is overpriced (maintenance wise)
navguy12
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So $3,000 CDN plus 2 hours @ $160 for a total of $3288.00 plus taxes and whatever misc. shop charges every 3 years.
I don't think so...looks like I will wait for the 60K limit, as this kind of expense is outrageous. Add to that the usual brake services and fluid replacements. and this car is overpriced (maintenance wise)
Agreed, the routine servicing costs (if one isn’t a DIY or is captive to the dealership for a specific unique service) for this car makes my eyes water.
The $212 plus HST is per two litre bottle; still highway robbery ((212 x 7) x 1.13) = $1677 for 14 litres of coolant…
…add the labour and its easily $2100 (price this month, who knows by Aug 2023).
This is as bad as any Ford F-150 with the eco-boost engine that needs the (routine/specified) plugs changed every 48 (?) months; I’m told that wholesalers won’t touch them at auction unless the service procedure has been done.
The Kona will only have ~ 17,000 km when the service is due; I’m doing it to ensure no “drama” if I have to exercise the battery warranty until the car is eight years old.
Which means we will do the service one more time at 72 months; hopefully the market demand will have been satisfied with multiple suppliers by that time.
I just realized the calculation error on my part, but you beat me to it -before I could edit. I do agree on the highway robbery part, even at that price. Like you mentioned , Hyundai is leaving the open door for competitors and hopefully that transpires before too long
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navguy12
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Thanks for that link!I just realized the calculation error on my part, but you beat me to it -before I could edit. I do agree on the highway robbery part, even at that price. Like you mentioned , Hyundai is leaving the open door for competitors and hopefully that transpires before too long
I’m about to read the whole thing, but if changing out the blue coolant causes a huge mess after the fact, I don’t know what we will do; I did inform the boss of the situation and that I would be reading up on it as we have eight months to figure things out.
Of course, I am watching this thread like a hawk... My odometer is almost identical @ 16,653 km. I did however only have 12 km on it when I picked it up on October 22,2020, so I have driven it less
Best in the New Year to all.
navguy12
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I really hope, before we have to do the 36 month R&R of that blue coolant, that Hyundai comes out with some new data to either extend the time period before it has to change or simply accept that the product eventually becomes conductive and life goes on. The heartache in the Hyundai Ionic world, where after swapping out the blue coolant they are finding all sorts of issues with crystallization and such, is not something I want to have to face…the car currently runs flawlessly.Of course, I am watching this thread like a hawk... My odometer is almost identical @ 16,653 km. I did however only have 12 km on it when I picked it up on October 22,2020, so I have driven it less
Best in the New Year to all.
Apparently, that can happen with a recent pack change.
I would like to know more specifics on this "fix" that @KiwiME refers to regarding violet colored coolant, perhaps he can chime in.
Regardless, I will keep to what I was advised from the Service Manager where I purchased the car, which is 60K kms. Any change to that frequency, and I will expect a cost reduction on the fluid/change accordingly.
They have been excellent to deal with so far, I anticipate that will continue.
Lars
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Good info! Thanks
Here are my 2022 end results:
ODO Reading on 2022 Dec 31: 42,438km
Total Distance Travelled in 2022: 21,164 km
Total Costs: C$481.16
Average Cost/100km: C$2.27 (includes DCFC charges)
Happy, healthy, prosperous and peaceful 2023
Lars
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Apparently, that can happen with a recent pack change.
I would like to know more specifics on this "fix" that @KiwiME refers to regarding violet colored coolant, perhaps he can chime in.
Regardless, I will keep to what I was advised from the Service Manager where I purchased the car, which is 60K kms. Any change to that frequency, and I will expect a cost reduction on the fluid/change accordingly.
They have been excellent to deal with so far, I anticipate that will continue.
I fully agree. Just follow the service schedule.
Lars
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I have a number of problems here:
1./ In my Owner's Manual Maintenance section on page 7-8 says:
Coolant *1 Replace every 40,000 miles or 36 months *2
*1 : When replacing or adding coolant, visit an authorized HYUNDAI dealer.
*2 : For your convenience, it can be replaced prior to it's interval when you do .....
2./ Here is where ~60,000km (not 60km) comes from - I guess. 40,000 miles => 64,000km
3./ Does Hyundai really believes that owners will cross check their website for maintenance updates?
I picked up my car on Aug 31/2020. So I have at least till next August/Sep. My car was on the dealer's lot for ~4 months waiting for the replacement battery. So do I have 4 months grace?
1./ In my Owner's Manual Maintenance section on page 7-8 says:
Coolant *1 Replace every 40,000 miles or 36 months *2
*1 : When replacing or adding coolant, visit an authorized HYUNDAI dealer.
*2 : For your convenience, it can be replaced prior to it's interval when you do .....
2./ Here is where ~60,000km (not 60km) comes from - I guess. 40,000 miles => 64,000km
3./ Does Hyundai really believes that owners will cross check their website for maintenance updates?
I picked up my car on Aug 31/2020. So I have at least till next August/Sep. My car was on the dealer's lot for ~4 months waiting for the replacement battery. So do I have 4 months grace?
navguy12
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Agreed.I have a number of problems here:
1./ In my Owner's Manual Maintenance section on page 7-8 says:
Coolant *1 Replace every 40,000 miles or 36 months *2
*1 : When replacing or adding coolant, visit an authorized HYUNDAI dealer.
*2 : For your convenience, it can be replaced prior to it's interval when you do .....
2./ Here is where ~60,000km (not 60km) comes from - I guess. 40,000 miles => 64,000km
3./ Does Hyundai really believes that owners will cross check their website for maintenance updates?
I picked up my car on Aug 31/2020. So I have at least till next August/Sep. My car was on the dealer's lot for ~4 months waiting for the replacement battery. So do I have 4 months grace?
It’s apparent that different people, buying the same car, have different written stipulations for that coolant change interval.
Past experience with time and distance stipulations have always boiled down to what is reached first; of course YMMV.
The thing with this coolant, its the three year stipulation because it simply becomes “polluted” with micro bits of the cooling system components as time goes on and its those micro bits that actually conduct electricity.
Lars
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Since I lost faith in corporate goodwill I fear that this inconsistency, or lack of clarity, will give Hyundai opportunities to deny battery warranty claims.
Lars
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My friend you are a patient busy body!
Your service to the community should be awarded. I use a much less detailed cost analysis, focusing on the cost of power/100km. My results for 2022 are: 2022 distance driven 21,164km; Total fuel cost (guesstimated by my calculations) $481.16. That leads to $2.27/100km. That is approx the cost of 1.5 litres of gas.
The $900 coolant change, due sometime this year, will still be a shocker.
Wildeyed
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$900!?! Is that a confirmed price? Also, did you get your battery replaced? If so, you would have earned a few years reprieve.My friend you are a patient busy body!
I use a much less detailed cost analysis, focusing on the cost of power/100km. My results for 2022 are: 2022 distance driven 21,164km; Total fuel cost (guesstimated by my calculations) $481.16. That leads to $2.27/100km. That is approx the cost of 1.5 litres of gas.
The $900 coolant change, due sometime this year, will still be a shocker.