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Esprit1st said:
Here is a quick to read article with the new Android auto updates. Looks like a few things you don't like about it are addressed. Android Auto Update summary

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Thanks for posting that. . It looks a lot better than the old AA. I just checked to see if I have the updated version available but not yet. It would be nice if it covers everything in my nit picking list. lol
 
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However, I personally "detest" another company harvesting my data. As revealed in the past Amazon echo listens to your conversations in order to detect the "hot word" just like Apple and Android if so activated. I personally use the microphone button on the steering wheel to send only my command to Google for analysis.
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I totally agree with you about BIG data. Hyundai knows exactly where you are and I am not sure who they share that data with. There needs to full disclosure and consumer protection around this sort of thing. I got mail from SirriusXM but I never gave them my address. We should not be forced into giving away our personal info just to buy a car.

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Yeah, it's a personal taste. Maybe check out the new Android auto. It just got a redesign. Although it's still rolling out, so not everybody can get it right now (I don't have it yet either).
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Unlikely the Kona will get this update as we don't get over the air updates. The new Soul may be different...no SD for the NAV on that either.
 
EnerG said:
Unlikely the Kona will get this update as we don't get over the air updates. The new Soul may be different...no SD for the NAV on that either.
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That update has nothing to do with the car. It's an Android auto update completely on your phone. As mentioned, Android auto is pretty much nothing but a remote screen feature.

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So this one's a bit weird. I have never updated my maps. Today I noticed some new "men at work" markers on a road I use regularly but the construction began only days ago! What the...?
 
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That is traffic information sent over HD radio or satellite radio.

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Okay. There's the HD radio thing again ( I don't subscribe to satellite) . How does a radio signal (which I do not consciously seek out) infiltrate and update my old maps data? I'm very curious how this works.
 
It's live traffic data. Your map data is not affected. The system gets it from where it's available. I don’t see it around home because there are no HDR stations, and presumably you have to be a subscriber to get it from SiriusXM.
 
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Wildeyed said:
So this one's a bit weird. I have never updated my maps. Today I noticed some new "men at work" markers on a road I use regularly but the construction began only days ago! What the...?
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I'm puzzled like you. We still have the Kona EV along with the new Soul EV. The Soul EV has UVO system instead of Bluelink. With UVO, we get traffic and weather on the map which is great. HOWEVER, today my Kona EV re-routed me when I was coming home on my standard route and it saw there was Canadian traffic entering the Pacific Crossing into the US and was blocking my route for an hour and a half. I have not updated my Kona maps. I do have an old lifetime subscription to Sirius but no traffic is included. So it seems that a genie has entered my Kona maps. lol PS I have never gotten traffic re-routing before.
 
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Please do not mix up bluelink, UVO and Sirius/HDRadio. Those are two completely different systems and they do not have anything to do with each other!

Bluelink/UVO is a system where your phone and your car connect to each other (via a server) so you can send it a destination, activate climate heating/cooling, find your car, etc.

Sirius and HDRadio are digital radio stations which transmit additional data to the actual music/radio stations. That data includes weather and traffic information which can be displayed on your map or in case of the weather, on an additional screen.

In the case of Hyundai and Kia those systems are completely separate and have nothing to do with each other. As you mentioned, there is even a subscription needed to receive that data from Sirius.

Just additional information: in case of Tesla, the system works differently. Teslas actually have a real internet connection! Hyundai and Kia do not have those! (Although if they wanted they could add that easily since all the hardware to support that is actually in the car already. Maybe a more powerful processor/computer would be necessary but that's about it).

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Esprit1st said:
Please do not mix up bluelink, UVO and Sirius/HDRadio. Those are two completely different systems and they do not have anything to do with each other!

Bluelink/UVO is a system where your phone and your car connect to each other (via a server) so you can send it a destination, activate climate heating/cooling, find your car, etc.

Sirius and HDRadio are digital radio stations which transmit additional data to the actual music/radio stations. That data includes weather and traffic information which can be displayed on your map or is case of the weather, on an additional screen.

In the case of Hyundai and Kia those systems are completely separate and have nothing to do with each other. As you mentioned, there is even a subscription needed to receive that data from Sirius.

Just additional information: in case of Tesla, the system works differently. Teslas actually have a real internet connection! Hyundai and Kia do not have those! (Although if they wanted they could add that easily since all the hardware to support that is actually in the car already. Maybe a note powerful processor/computer would be necessary but that's about it).

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Bluelink is a bit more than that. It’s also used in the rescue system, for example.

I think it's more accurate to say that our non-Teslas have a limited internet connection than to say it's not real. Hyundai and Kia are not about to pay for unlimited data plans for all their customers, hence no browsing, streaming, or OTA updates.
 
Esprit1st said:
Please do not mix up bluelink, UVO and Sirius/HDRadio. Those are two completely different systems and they do not have anything to do with each other!

Bluelink/UVO is a system where your phone and your car connect to each other (via a server) so you can send it a destination, activate climate heating/cooling, find your car, etc.

Sirius and HDRadio are digital radio stations which transmit additional data to the actual music/radio stations. That data includes weather and traffic information which can be displayed on your map or in case of the weather, on an additional screen.

In the case of Hyundai and Kia those systems are completely separate and have nothing to do with each other. As you mentioned, there is even a subscription needed to receive that data from Sirius.

Just additional information: in case of Tesla, the system works differently. Teslas actually have a real internet connection! Hyundai and Kia do not have those! (Although if they wanted they could add that easily since all the hardware to support that is actually in the car already. Maybe a more powerful processor/computer would be necessary but that's about it).

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I am not any clearer about what is happening. With the UVO system I see wifi and LTE up on the corner of the screen. With Bluelink, I don't see that and this is the first time I have had traffic info on Bluelink. Many people let their Sirius accounts drop when the trial is up so they wouldn't get traffic from that source. My lifetime Sirius is ancient and does not include traffic so I am still as clear as mud on how these systems are working.
 
I appreciate the explanations but it's still puzzling to me how a random radio signal can superimpose graphical data points on a (map) system that is a completely separate and closed system (Bluelink).
 
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I am not any clearer about what is happening. With the UVO system I see wifi and LTE up on the corner of the screen. With Bluelink, I don't see that and this is the first time I have had traffic info on Bluelink. Many people let their Sirius accounts drop when the trial is up so they wouldn't get traffic from that source. My lifetime Sirius is ancient and does not include traffic so I am still as clear as mud on how these systems are working.
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That Wifi and LTE is how BlueLink and UVO connect to the (limited) internet. It is only used for very limited things like turning on your heating, cooling, SOS features etc. It is NOT used to get traffic information of any kind. The Kona displays an LTE symbol in thetop right corner, that is how it connects. It is basically a data-cell-phone connection that can only connect to the Hyundai Server to get very specific information.
You don't have traffic on BlueLink! BlueLink doesn't do traffic!
The traffic that you get on the cars built in map is being received through a hidden data channel that is sent via HDRadio. I don't want to get into explaining how HDRadio works, that is too complicated, but it sends additional data with your normal FM Radio. IF you have only a normal radio, it will only receive the FM Sound that you hear (actually there is some data sent with that too, but again too complicated to explain here). But IF you have a HDRadio compatible radio it will receive that additional data, that can be displayed on your map. It's basically "hidden" in the music!

Wildeyed said:
I appreciate the explanations but it's still puzzling to me how a random radio signal can superimpose graphical data points on a (map) system that is a completely separate and closed system (Bluelink).
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It's not a random radio signal. The HDRadio scans stations in the background, even if you have turned off the radio. It will still receive that additional data and just take it and display the traffic info on your screen. There is basically nothing you can do about it.

Again, the map system is NOT completely separate and closed. The map data (roads) are ONLY on that SD card and cannot be updated in any other way. However, that doesn't mean, that the traffic info received through the radio cannot be "superimposed" onto that map. Because that's basically what's happening. In fact BlueLink doesn't have anything to do with that!
 
Esprit1st said:
That Wifi and LTE is how BlueLink and UVO connect to the (limited) internet. It is only used for very limited things like turning on your heating, cooling, SOS features etc. It is NOT used to get traffic information of any kind. The Kona displays an LTE symbol in thetop right corner, that is how it connects. It is basically a data-cell-phone connection that can only connect to the Hyundai Server to get very specific information.
You don't have traffic on BlueLink! BlueLink doesn't do traffic!
The traffic that you get on the cars built in map is being received through a hidden data channel that is sent via HDRadio. I don't want to get into explaining how HDRadio works, that is too complicated, but it sends additional data with your normal FM Radio. IF you have only a normal radio, it will only receive the FM Sound that you hear (actually there is some data sent with that too, but again too complicated to explain here). But IF you have a HDRadio compatible radio it will receive that additional data, that can be displayed on your map. It's basically "hidden" in the music!



It's not a random radio signal. The HDRadio scans stations in the background, even if you have turned off the radio. It will still receive that additional data and just take it and display the traffic info on your screen. There is basically nothing you can do about it.

Again, the map system is NOT completely separate and closed. The map data (roads) are ONLY on that SD card and cannot be updated in any other way. However, that doesn't mean, that the traffic info received through the radio cannot be "superimposed" onto that map. Because that's basically what's happening. In fact BlueLink doesn't have anything to do with that!
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Huh. That's clearer. Weird, but clearer. Thanks.
 
SkookumPete said:
At the risk of muddying the waters further…

The navigation system itself depends on on-board data. The radio signal is not random, and it is simply supplying real-time data to the system, which reads that data and displays it through the software.

As has been pointed out, navigation has nothing to do with Bluelink, which is essentially the car's connection to the internet and so to your phone and to rescue services.
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So the maps are not part of Bluelink? So they're basically "Hyundai maps" as opposed to, say, Google maps? There must be some sort of standard then if these HD radio signals can interface with these various map systems. Would that be a correct assumption?
 
HAHA ... as long as it is clearer, I feel like I helped.
Yes, that would be correct!
Is it weird? I guess it is. It has to do with how the systems evolved. It's basically new things that got added to old things without breaking the old systems.

It's actually pretty amazing, that you can listen to todays radio with a radio from 1950, you will still hear the music, but a current Hi-Tech Radio, by receiving the same radio station, will be able to tell you the stations name, the song that is playing, and display you the traffic around town, oh, and also it will be able to turn itself on when there is an important message. The old radio will do nothing but playing the music.
 
Wildeyed said:
So the maps are not part of Bluelink? So they're basically "Hyundai maps" as opposed to, say, Google maps? There must be some sort of standard then if these HD radio signals can interface with these various map systems. Would that be a correct assumption?
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Yes, real-time data has a standard format so that different software systems can use it. It’s the software in the car that's pushing it to the screen.

Again, Bluelink (in the car) is a connection to the Hyundai server through the internet via LTE (cellular data). Nothing to do with radio.

Maybe Esprit1st can enlighten us on what WiFi has to do with it.
 
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CJC said:
Here is a review of the new Android Auto. These young reviewers actually did a pretty good Kona EV review that influenced our decision to buy.
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Not available to me yet. According to the interweb, if you do have the version that supports the new in-car interface, you have to turn it on in Settings (on the phone). A further wrinkle is that the phone app will soon be replaced by Google Assistant.

https://www.techradar.com/news/andr...ut-the-smartphone-version-is-being-killed-off
 
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