Installing a 150 dB air horn; Can you hear me now!?

You guys crack me up. It is possible to give it a very, very brief push and not be totally obnoxious. And yes I left the horn on the right hooked up just in case the cheap Chinese air horn conks out on me.
I will have to admit that I almost want some idiot to do something stupid just so I can blast him with my “acoustic weapon”. I didn’t realize I had weaponized my horn!


Kentucky, just found this post - You just went up in forum ranking by an order of magnitude for this upgrade! Guess your rock-concert gunner's ears are still useful in selecting some acoustic devices! :cool::Do_O

I thought of this kind of thing too, however mostly for the youtube value when the techs pull out from the service bay into the dealer drive through and always give a little honk before crossing the threshold.. would have been worth it's weight in GOLD!!! I tells ya'!

Now that you have one installed, you owe us a video of the techs driving your car and giving the dealer mandated honk before leaving the bay...

Cheers,
Cash
 
Back in the 1980's a friend of mine put a semi tractor trailer horn under the hood of her 1978 Mazda GLC.. Same idea, but the GLC was so tiny it was even more of a surprise, and it was absolutely hilarious!
 
Do we have a hall of fame for best threads ever? It needs this thread.

ps...when you get within 50 feet, the sound of freedom can be loud too.
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I think the thread is really funny, however FWIW, these air horns are probably technically illegal in NY: the car horn "shall produce a sound sufficiently loud to serve as a danger warning but shall not be used other than as a reasonable warning nor be unnecessarily loud or harsh".

Also, 150 dB is way past what can permanently damage hearing (without hearing protection, time of exposure is a factor too), but it's still fun to read the thread and see the install.

We don't use horns much in suburban/rural upstate, NY, other than maybe to tap it when someone is distracted when a light turns green. I don't even know what the clarity horn sounds like :)
 
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ps...when you get within 50 feet, the sound of freedom can be loud too.

these air horns are probably technically illegal in NY: the car horn "shall produce a sound sufficiently loud to serve as a danger warning but shall not be used other than as a reasonable warning nor be unnecessarily loud or harsh".

I've been holding off on responding to this thread because I feel this is simply a passive-aggressive form of simple physical assault. These are sonic pressure waves that physically hit the ear drum for tremendous force at close range. It's as simple as that and trying to justify it in the name of safety is rather weak argument that falls into the same category as "loud pipes save lives" mantra we motorcyclists use. There's good reason why "noise makers" aren't allowed at sporting events or enclosed areas.

Locally, we have at least 3-4 lifted trucks with these train horns driving around blasting these things for fun just to watch people jump and/or their reactions. Yeah, real funny guys.

Adding an aftermarket horn that's a few dB's higher or has a better tone is fine. Train air horns? No. Adding better headlight bulbs? Yes. Adding huge and improperly aimed light bars? No!

Just my 2cents.
 
I've been holding off on responding to this thread because I feel this is simply a passive-aggressive form of simple physical assault. These are sonic pressure waves that physically hit the ear drum for tremendous force at close range. It's as simple as that and trying to justify it in the name of safety is rather weak argument that falls into the same category as "loud pipes save lives" mantra we motorcyclists use. There's good reason why "noise makers" aren't allowed at sporting events or enclosed areas.

Locally, we have at least 3-4 lifted trucks with these train horns driving around blasting these things for fun just to watch people jump and/or their reactions. Yeah, real funny guys.

Adding an aftermarket horn that's a few dB's higher or has a better tone is fine. Train air horns? No. Adding better headlight bulbs? Yes. Adding huge and improperly aimed light bars? No!

Just my 2cents.
I think we trust KentuckyKen to honk responsibly. But yes you are right the type of people who sneak up behind someone a few feet away and blast them with a train horn is going beyond just being a joke. The service bay situation is a concern, might be good to disable it before taking in for service.
 
Huh, I also wanted to complain about the wimpy horn, which sounds like I am driving a Fiat 500, but I can live with it.
You are really an interesting guy, have fun with your scary horn!


I got tired of the wimpy horn and saw a YouTube video on some guys startling unsuspecting people with a diesel train air horn. A little Googling found a real diesel train sounding air horn was way too expensive and took up too much room but I found a single air horn for $35 on eBay. And boy is it loud!
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There’s a lot of cheap crap from China, but this one seemed of decent quality (all metal air pump) and came with a relay and fuse for plug and play installation. It was easy peasy by ordering the horn adapter from Honda that plugs into one horn connectors and adapts it to 2 spade lugs. No soldering at all; just wire it in place of one of the horns using the Honda adapter and run the fused wire to the pos battery terminal and the neg wire to a ground. And all the spade lugs in the horn kit are silicone covered. I went over board and used plastic wire loom on the wire going to the battery. I also used zip ties on the friction fit of the hose to the horn and pump.

By removing the left horn, I was able to use a carriage bolt and nut to secure the pump in the same threaded hole the left horn came from and zip tied the relay to a plastic frame member.
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The horn was a little trickier to get installed. I used a right angled drill to reach in front of the radiators and drill 3 small holes to mount the horn on the aluminum frame member that runs across the front. Not much room there but it can be done if your arms aren’t too big.
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To start, you have to remove the black plastic trim that covers the area between the radiators and the front body panel. To get to that you remove a trim piece that holds down the air intake and then move the air intake back. All the fasteners are the pop up button cap kind (or whatever you call them). You can buy a tool for $6 or just carefully use a screwdriver to pry the cap up. Then lift up the large cover that will now be held on just at the bumper side by some friction plugs. Then it’s just mounting the horn in a hard to reach area, hooking everything up, fishing the fused wire over to the battery and finding a good ground for the neg wire. Fortunately the pos battery terminal has a separate bolt under the plastic cover just made for this.
This shows the pump to the left of the other horn and the relay zip tied to the frame at left. Fearing corrosion, I sealed the bottom part of the relay where the wires enter with some silicone caulk. The top clear part houses the actual relay components and is replaceable.
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I ended up mangling two of the plastic fasteners and ordered a whole box of assorted ones from eBay for what two would cost from Honda. I’ll be happy to send a couple to whoever needs them.
I also got lucky and had a couple of short carriage bolts that fit the threaded hole for the horn and the fitting on the pump, and can send one out if you can’t find one and a nut from the hardware store.

The only trick I found was identifying the pos vs. neg horn contacts. I did that with my trusty cheap and free Harbor Freight VOM. Just mark the one that shows continuity to the neg battery terminal after plugging in the adapter. Then just plug in all the spade connectors according to the instructions.

As a side note, this exposed the HV battery system coolant expansion tank (page 480) that some have speculated takes some special dielectric coolant since it goes to the battery pack. Well, it has the same color and smell as the fluid in the other two expansion tanks, so I think it’s just regular old Honda long life coolant type 2.
Also I noticed the radar has a screw adjustment for up and down just like headlights but seems to use shims for L to R.

Here is the cover back on and you can’t tell it was ever off.
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If anyone wants to try this they can PM me with any questions and I’d be happy to walk them through it over the phone. Except for installing the large air trumpet in a hard to reach area, it’s really quick and easy. And I took a ton of pictures if anyone needs them.

My Clarity may not get any name recognition but when I blow the horn now, it gets the respect and attention this car deserves!
I am Clarity, hear me roar!!!
And make way for my mighty fusion (solar PV) powered car, you pathetic Dino fueled smog belching weenies!

PS: The electrical hookup caused a hard reset with all the warning lights and I had to recalibrate the TPMS after it reinitialized. Also, I lost the driving history so my EV range estimate went from mid 60s to mid 40s. However, the efficiency as tracked by kWh/mile did not change. With 4 days of driving and o/n charging the EV range estimate is only up to 59 miles. So it looks like it will take at least 5 charge cycles with ~20-25 miles each to return to its usual accuracy. And my HV range estimate increased by a few miles with out adding any gas. But at least the reset didn’t lose any of my settings and now all is back to normal.
 
What are the sound levels like in the cockpit? What hearing protection do you use/need?
Cockpit noise is mostly due to wind over the canopy. I don't recall the cockpit noise levels or frequencies anymore - I believe it was around 100dB. The helmets have ear cups to provide hearing protection plus hold the radio speakers next to the ear. Most pilots would also wear yellow foam ear plugs - I liked the plastic plugs. The disadvantage of also wearing plugs was you had to turn the radios to max volume to hear the calls. When the F-22 came along noise cancelling feature was introduced to the helmets. On the first test flights the noise cancellation was wired backwards so instead of being 180 out of phase it was in phase and doubled the noise.
 
OK, here’s my reply to the posts concerned with whether or not my cheap air horn is terrorizing people or endangering their hearing, neither of which I am inclined to do.
I knew when I bought this for only $35 that it wouldn’t really put out 150 dB to some one 10 feet away. (You get what you pay for folks) I just wanted something better than the pathetic Roadrunner “meep-meep” horn the car came with.

So here are screen shots of the sound levels using the free Decibel X app on my iPhone 7.
I can tell you that the sound proofing on the car is quite good with the horn volume greatly reduced inside so no worries there.
Inside with windows up: 77 dB
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Outside, I took the measurement standing as close to the hood as I could as I reached in the open window to honk the horn.
That’s only 103 dB but still quite loud and I only use a short toot at pedestrians which is not as bad. Only idiot drivers get the full treatment.
So please give me a break.

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Break given, I think in all online information sharing systems when the conversation is text only, people miss the communication as humans need the intonation and kinesiology of body language to gather all relevant meaning possible.

I've fallen into the annoyed AND annoying category on forums before and will again. That's the curse and blessing of venues such as these. I live in Texas, we like things big and the trucks around here are bigger and louder. Ken, I would have installed 4 of those horns and had no problem unleashing them on the driver that just decided to make the lane crossings for an exit 50 feet too late, in front of me, all while texting on their phones, idiocracy is an assault too...

No worries here, best wishes and cheers!

Cash
 
I see it’s been a while, but I wanted to drop in and thank you for sharing your experience and the valuable advice, it's super helpful! I think the idea of adding an air horn is genius - it's bound to get more attention from other drivers, which can be a lifesaver sometimes.
 
I do agree that the OEM horns produce an anemic "meep, meep" that I couldn't accept when I first heard it. I purchased these and are pretty happy with them. They sound like the horns on a normal car or truck (not a scooter). I've had no trouble getting attention with them. Sometimes they are still ignored, but that is the other driver choosing to do so, not because they didn't hear them. The connectors on the OEM wires are smaller, so you need adapters to fit the new horns, or you will have to juryrigg something. I'll post a link to those as well (you will need two, one for each horn). It may not matter a lot, but pay attention to which side the low and high frequency were removed from and put the new ones back in the same position.
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I see it’s been a while, but I wanted to drop in and thank you for sharing your experience and the valuable advice, it's super helpful! I think the idea of adding an air horn is genius - it's bound to get more attention from other drivers, which can be a lifesaver sometimes.

Just wanted to share that I recently decided to give my car an upgrade too. I purchased a railway horn at https://bosshorn.com/, and I must say, I was really impressed. They had such a large selection to choose from, and the quality of the horns was top-notch. I didn't encounter any problems with the installation or using the horn. It's been an excellent addition to my car, and I'm loving the attention it gets.

I hope you won't get sue for giving unexpecting people heart attack.
LMAO
 
A couple of weeks ago I saw a diesel VW Beetle that had a 3’ tall, 4” diameter smokestack protruding from the hood that actually spewed smoke. That might be a great mod for a Clarity with a train horn, although one would need to have the ability to generate smoke, or maybe steam. Of course the look wouldn’t be complete without a set of balls hanging off the back.
 
Of course the look wouldn’t be complete without a set of balls hanging off the back.
Wouldn't those balls require a warranty-voiding trailer hitch? However, the smoke stack, train horn, and trailer hitch would be fine for Clarity owners who didn't purchase an extended warranty.

I wonder if Lionel sells this in a gallon size?
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Wouldn't those balls require a warranty-voiding trailer hitch? However, the smoke stack, train horn, and trailer hitch would be fine for Clarity owners who didn't purchase an extended warranty.

Certainly the balls could be attached elsewhere.

Does the installation of a hitch void either, or both, the factory warranty or the VSC? Or, would an owner need to actually tow a trailer to void the warranty?
 
Certainly the balls could be attached elsewhere.
All the ones I've seen have been on the trailer hitch, but googling showed they can be attached to other locations.

While googling, I found a set of truck nuts made for places (South Carolina) where it's illegal to display on your vehicle "any sticker, decal, emblem or other device containing obscene or indecent words, photographs or depictions."

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