We know 1 in 5 EV owners switched back to gas powered cars. But I don't know the answer to your question.
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Honda and Toyota really resisting EV's...why?
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We know 1 in 5 EV owners switched back to gas powered cars. But I don't know the answer to your question.
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There were so many gutless, compliance vehicles, small wonder people left them:
Sillyness compounded.
Bob Wilson
Clamps
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There were so many gutless, compliance vehicles, small wonder people left them:
Sillyness compounded.
Bob Wilson
I leased an Electric Smart for three years and it was a fantastic car. Could charge on a 120 overnight and have nearly 100 miles. Heated leather seats and steering wheel, full glass roof with a sliding shade, an incredible turn radius, just a beast in an urban environment. Also, it was a blast to drive. Mater of fact, mine was the same color you posted. Miss that little bugger.
I'm glad you liked it but the limited charging and range meant it was like so many, a niche vehicle.
Bob Wilson
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I charged on a 120 but it had level 2, J-1772 port as well. Under three hours fully charged. The Euro version may have had CCS. Definitely a niche vehicle or a great second car. By the way, it had a surprisingly useful boot too.
I'm glad you liked it and if was a gateway vehicle to something more capable, it did good. But the limited charging and range meant it like many compliance vehicles were a niche in 2014:
Bob Wilson
- short, urban range
- little or no fast DC charging (before diesel fraud)
Bob Wilson
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Yes, definitely. Though I would use the word niche over compliance. The gasoline version of the Smart was also a niche vehicle. Not a car for the masses, either the gasoline version or the electric version. It had a specific mission, as an urban runabout, not a long haul family sedan. We seriously debated buying out our lease and keeping it we loved it so much.
It was a product of it's time for certain.
On another thread Honda Clarity cancelled, which is sad because it was one of the better PHEV vehicle’s.
Shows that Honda as of now no decent electric cars.
Maybe we be lucky that Toyota will have more PHEV’s in future, not just RAV4 Prime, Prius Prime….
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toyota now trying to produce a hydrogen piston engine.
they're going backwards. or maybe it's just to keep piston engines in racing classes.
they can skate on the hybrid crowd for maybe the next decade.
but unless hydrogen makes a serious change in cost and availability, never mind the danger of the extreme high storage pressures to acheive any energy density, plug in battery vehicles are the cheap easy fuel option.
major portion of those cars never needing to drive anywhere for energy.
just plug in at home.
hydrogen won't take off til it's piped to your home probably as a replacement for nat gas.
electricity is everywhere already.
they're going backwards. or maybe it's just to keep piston engines in racing classes.
they can skate on the hybrid crowd for maybe the next decade.
but unless hydrogen makes a serious change in cost and availability, never mind the danger of the extreme high storage pressures to acheive any energy density, plug in battery vehicles are the cheap easy fuel option.
major portion of those cars never needing to drive anywhere for energy.
just plug in at home.
hydrogen won't take off til it's piped to your home probably as a replacement for nat gas.
electricity is everywhere already.
That's not a bad thing. EVs will never replace the driving experience for gas car enthusiasts. Hydrogen piston engines likely could fill that gap. But realisticly Ethanol is far cheaper and far easier to achieve.
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Honda and Toyota are just being pragmatic which is kinda what they've always been known to do. If you want to have a large impact on the environment and electrification technology as a whole, it makes a lot more sense to make and sell 10 hybrid cars rather than use all of those batteries to make and sell 1 EV. In addition, in most states in the US its more environmentally friendly to drive, say a Toyota Corolla Hybrid, than it is a Tesla Model 3.
They also both know fuel cell technology is the end game. Granted, EV's will always have a share of the market from now on but it makes more sense in the long term to invest more of your resources developing FC technology rather than produce a bunch of EV's with slim to negative profit margins and supply chain issues.
They also both know fuel cell technology is the end game. Granted, EV's will always have a share of the market from now on but it makes more sense in the long term to invest more of your resources developing FC technology rather than produce a bunch of EV's with slim to negative profit margins and supply chain issues.
We will have to agree to disagree:
Bob Wilson
- "it makes a lot more sense to make and sell 10 hybrid cars rather than use all of those batteries to make and sell 1 EV." - Between 2005-2019, we own Prius hybrids including the Prius Prime PHEV which we traded in for a Tesla Model 3. Although solid 52-57 MPG vehicles, they had hundreds of more moving parts than our Model 3. Moving parts wear and require maintenance compared to the Model 3 that has no oil changes, PVC valve, air filter and these moving parts: (1) rotor; (2) fixed step-down gear, and; (3) differential.
- "In addition, in most states in the US its more environmentally friendly to drive, say a Toyota Corolla Hybrid, than it is a Tesla Model 3" - My source: https://blog.ucsusa.org/dave-reichm...-really-better-for-the-climate-yes-heres-why/ has this map:
- "They also both know fuel cell technology is the end game." - California is running that experiment and we're seeing: (1) ~3x cost per mile of hydrogen fuel cells over battery electric, and; (2) requires substantial government subsidies. BTW, Tesla funds their own SuperCharger network supporting their EV cars. When Toyota and Honda begin installing hydrogen fueling stations at their dealers, we will both be amazed. In contrast, EV sellers have and continue to install charging stations at their dealers.
Bob Wilson
hydrogen isn't gping anywhere until they can make it cheaper/cleaner than with nat gas.
the high pressures and cold temps needed to store it and cost will keep it as a novelty for some time.
maybe in 20 years when the gas industry starts pipping hydrogen to your house.
cheap enough, you can run fuel cells in your house instead of just a furnace for heat.
only way they are going to save their infrastructure from being abandoned as we move to electric.
electricity is in every home already.
go nowhere to charge for most people.
most plug in at home.
hydrogen won't provide that for years, or maybe ever.
electricity you can ,make yourself even.
the high pressures and cold temps needed to store it and cost will keep it as a novelty for some time.
maybe in 20 years when the gas industry starts pipping hydrogen to your house.
cheap enough, you can run fuel cells in your house instead of just a furnace for heat.
only way they are going to save their infrastructure from being abandoned as we move to electric.
electricity is in every home already.
go nowhere to charge for most people.
most plug in at home.
hydrogen won't provide that for years, or maybe ever.
electricity you can ,make yourself even.
R P
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Toyota defying the haters with their Q2 EV sales (PHEV). They are capturing many of the on-the-fence EV buyers who are not yet quite ready for a full blown BEV. The new RAV4 PHEV is certainly a big hit. Many of these will likely be converted to Toyota's new BEVs coming out in the next couple years, which are sure to have a major impact in that market.
https://insideevs.com/news/517755/us-toyota-plugin-sales-2021q2/
If you look at Toyota's strategy over the years (going back to the early Prius), hard to fault them for reading the market, and producing cars that buyers want. And unlike many of the current BEV makers, Toyota has a solid reputation for quality and reliability, which no doubt will give many potential new buyers a lot of confidence.
https://insideevs.com/news/517755/us-toyota-plugin-sales-2021q2/
If you look at Toyota's strategy over the years (going back to the early Prius), hard to fault them for reading the market, and producing cars that buyers want. And unlike many of the current BEV makers, Toyota has a solid reputation for quality and reliability, which no doubt will give many potential new buyers a lot of confidence.
What you stated RP " If you look at Toyota's strategy over the years (going back to the early Prius), hard to fault them for reading the market, and producing cars that buyers want. And unlike many of the current BEV makers, Toyota has a solid reputation for quality and reliability, which no doubt will give many potential new buyers a lot of confidence. " is what I posted this thread.
Also the 2022 Toyota Prime base model is only $35726 including freight, delivery, air conditioning charge/fee which is approx. $8000 less than the other EV's that just come under the $44999 limit to get the Canadian EV Federal rebate.
In some ways for those who can not charge level 2 at home and living in apartments PHEV's can be good option.
Just recently on the Canadian Chevrolet build site, the 2022 Bolt EV sells for $36169 including freight delivery, air conditioning fee. Most likely the least expensive EV available in Canada now.
Dan
Some stuff standard on 2022 Bolt
- Wireless ApplyCarPlay, Wireless AndroidAuto
- Wifi hotspot
- heated front seats ( 8 way power drivers )
- heated steering wheel
- 2 way power lumber
- 2 drive mode Normal and Sport
- One pedal driving button
- remote precondition cabin
- all LED lighting exterior and interior
- latest safety features including blindspot monitoring , lane keep assist, rear cross traffic alert etc
Dan