High voltage battery in 2022 SE from 2017 BMWI3 /ancient technology

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polyphonic said:
i3, but like @teslarati97 said, it was exposed to the elements. I attached a backpack cover to mine and it solved that issue. A third party company in Germany made a retrofit seal which is the more elegant solution. BMW left some space in the rear as well for BEV-only models. That same company made a new trunk insert to reclaim additional space.



No qualms with my American-made X3! I'm not big on frunks either, unless they are dead-easy to open like the F150 Lightening. Hard pressing the hood of an expensive Tesla or Porsche to close the frunk just seems wrong. F150 has a physical button right outside of the frunk. Also, it's huge and thus actually quite practical.
It's just an example of a small piece of space that could be re-purposed. An extra inch or two of interior space is actually significant.

Never drove a 4 series to compare it to a 3, but like the Taycan I was surprised by the interior dimensions of the i4 compared to the exterior. i4 seemed better though from that standpoint. Outside of the Mini I haven't found much to get excited about in the German EV space. Lucid/Rivian and even Ford seem to be killing it.

What's wrong with the Lucid Air in the winter?
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That Mini Cooper SE is a chipest EV on market in USA and many new adopters can afford and your Taycan is $200000 useless car for daily driving to grocery store us I love a Porsches I have no use for it and that car 20 years later is not going to keep value like my 1975 911 and all prices for those EV are not affordable for 90% of populations or gas get to $10 and folks have not choices to switch to EV,s than a grid is going to collapse and we stay in darkness without a fridge or Wi-Fi.A technology is still limping to get there another 20 years to GO .
 
AndysComputer said:
It’s not so much a question of old tech as the fact the newer battery cells could not be positioned into the t shape pack as they are a different size. I am also under the impression the cells used in the SE are not actually the same cells as used in the i3, that it’s even a different supplier?
So how old the tech is is open to debate.

One question I do have is about that last i3 battery… as that model was not offered with a range extender as far as I know, is it better technology that has allowed them to give more capacity in the same space, or were they able to use more space to fit in a physically larger pack and thus that also at least partially contributes to the capacity increase?

As long as the Mini pack retains good capacity over the years it’s fine with me (and the I i3 data suggests it will although again, it’s technically a different pack) as the range on the SE is much better than advertised in my experience and I laugh when I consider that the taller skinnier tired i3 used all that carbon fiber and cost so much to buy but the Mini ends up more efficient. I’m convinced BMW are sand bagging the SE figures, both in terms of range and 0-60 to avoid making the i3 look bad. At 0-60 in 6.2/6.3s real world the i3 looks like a bad buy and the only reason the SE doesn’t just blow it away is the fact it’s power limited when launching presumably due to being FWD vs the RWD i3. I’d love to know what a RWD SE would be capable of…
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You cant have SE rear drive bc is no room for a motor and I 3 didn’t take a room from battery bc battery was between a wheels and a range extender was next to electric motor on rear of a car .Mini Cooper BMW just adopted a chassis to make contraption of Electric car from body of Mini on a market for 20 years in that shape and from since 1965 They don’t want to build decent small car for US WV did years ago as People,s car call /Volkswagen in German
 
teslarati97 said:
Absolutely the Lucid Air is one engineering marvel except I wouldn't want to drive that during the winter.

It's always the great debate on 3 Series vs 4 Series Gran Coupe. Do you want a made in North America (Plant San Luis Potosi, Mexico) for the 3 series or Germany (Plant Munich) for the 4 series GC and i4? Do you want the convenience of an electric hatchback (i4 & 4 series GC) at trade off of interior spaciousness?

As for the frunk it's a hit or miss kind of thing. The frunk in the i3 was always filthy from leaves and road salt if they sealed it like the Mach-E then for sure I'd have a tailgate party...or do I call it a frunkgate EV party??

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Lucid is a Marvel design $95.400 **** one and $139.00 GOOD one if you really can afford a one you should have a a designated driver just a joke and don’t take to shopping center to be smashed with shopping carts.
 
CuriousGeorge said:
All I see in that picture is somebody's belt buckle or zipper scratching the paint on my fender. :(
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That picture is a fake get F150 and fill a bed with chicken wings and lack of Frunk in SE is no big issue but idiots with BMWI 3 with with range extender were carrying 5 gallons gasoline in a Frunk to get to their destination to extend a range was like carrying a BOMB in frontal CRASH .
 
Puppethead said:
If anything, I think MINI might have nerfed the SE because they didn't want it to outperform the JCW. It performs just slightly worse than the JCW from what I've seen.
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Oh, for sure.

Although they are all ICE cars, it’s exactly the same thing Porsche has always done with the mid-engined cars Vs the 911. Except for maybe the GT4 RS.
 
There’s very little jerk off the line in the SE. It’s pretty clearly software locked, especially from 0-15 mph.
 
PeppyPepper said:
Tesla Model 3...It is a very small car... I had it.
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You must have come to your 185" Model 3 from a 60s Cadillac if you consider it a very small car--it's nearly a yard longer than a MINI. Although half a foot longer than a MINI, the 158-inch BMW i3 had room for a frunk only because they put all the propulsion bits at the rear end.
 
polyphonic said:
There’s very little jerk off the line in the SE. It’s pretty clearly software locked, especially from 0-15 mph.
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I assume that's because of snapped axles in early i3 years.

OTOH, despite having more conventionally-sized tires the FWD Chevy Bolt is known for readily spinning its eco-focused tires.

Ah, the downsides of the torque-rpm relationship of electric motors!
 
CuriousGeorge said:
I assume that's because of snapped axles in early i3 years.
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That's the story I believe, too. I wonder how much MINI would have to beef up the axles to withstand more abuse? Do the JCW MINIs have software protecting their axles? In the original press materials for the SE, MINI touted the traction control logic being part of the motor control system, which shortens the reaction time, so I doubt the JCWs can do the same thing.

This is text from the press release on the magic day, July 9, 2019, when MINI unveiled the production MINI Cooper SE:

In order to ensure that the high level of torque supplied by the electric motor immediately on set-off can be put to use for hallmark brand riding fun without loss of traction, the new MINI Cooper SE has an innovative DSC (Dynamic Stability Control) system. This drive slip control system, designed specifically for the spontaneous power delivery provided by electric motors, makes for particularly supreme driving qualities in all road and weather conditions. The so-called wheel-slip limiting close to the actuator means that control operations are calculated directly inside the drive system rather than in a distant control unit with long signal pathways, as is the case in conventional driving stability systems. This perceptibly optimises both set-off traction and driving stability in brake energy recovery mode, as well as when accelerating out of tight bends.

However, I am happy to sacrifice fractions of a second on my way to 60 mph in trade for the elimination of wheelspin when I tromp on the accelerator. I'm sure this feature has helped my front tires last 2 years, despite the cornering torture I inflict upon them. That longevity is, of course, also due to having winter tires to give my summer tires a break.
 
I think the motor mounts snapped. They used rubber mounts before switching to aluminum. I am guessing the rubber was used for NVH purposes. Standard drive shafts can take a lot of abuse. Just look at the 1+ million model 3s out there that get launched from every stop.

Coincidentally my i3 had the older traction control system (pre-2018) and while it was good, the i3S/Mini SE traction control is delightful. I love hearing it whirr back and forth when gunning it on a less-than-perfect road. :)

I drove a Bolt and Niro after owning the Mini and hated the non-stop wheel spin.
 
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