Elon Musk now bullying short sellers and all and every critic

Pushmi-Pullyu said:
...said no businessman, ever.

And the increase in sales -- or more specifically, production -- matters a great deal to those who want to buy a Tesla car, or Tesla roof tiles, or Tesla PowerWalls, or Tesla commercial solar panels, or any other Tesla product.



I have no doubt that's just as true as 98% of your other comments about Tesla.

You showed your true colors in those approx. two dozen bald, outright Tesla Death Cult posts you wrote to carpet-bomb one single Ars Technica comment discussion, the other day. So far as I'm concerned, it's a settled point.

One of the things that continues to mystify me about the Tesla Death Cultists is why the majority of them make a pretense of not being a short-seller. Why don't they just own up to it? Don't they understand that when they deny something that's so obviously true, it just makes people question everything they write?

In all the time I've been reading InsideEVs comments, I think I've seen only two of the Tesla Death Cultists admit that they are TSLA short-sellers. The rest of them continue to deny it. The only thing that accomplishes is undermining their credibility.
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It is very interesting how you chop up my quotes and post things completely out of context, Its ok though... I own three different businesses that all make money every year. I must be doing something right. Had dinner tonight with our friends that have a Tesla model X, but when we walked to the cars after diner I noticed they had a Model S P100D, I was like... Wow, got a new car? They said Nope, X is in the shop again, A/C went out the other day, and its been near 90 degrees the last coupe weeks in Seattle, a bit rough. I asked them how many times their X has been in the shop for repairs... 8 times in 14 months of ownership. Their FWD have hit cars parked next to them then the snowy season, failed to close, and open at times (usually at home). The husband told me Tesla made them a buyback offer but its 30K off what they paid for the vehicle so they are stuck. They also have a Sienna minivan, not one problem in the last 5 years... haha!
 
David Green said:
It is very interesting how you chop up my quotes and post things completely out of context, Its ok though... I own three different businesses that all make money every year. I must be doing something right. Had dinner tonight with our friends that have a Tesla model X, but when we walked to the cars after diner I noticed they had a Model S P100D, I was like... Wow, got a new car? They said Nope, X is in the shop again, A/C went out the other day, and its been near 90 degrees the last coupe weeks in Seattle, a bit rough. I asked them how many times their X has been in the shop for repairs... 8 times in 14 months of ownership. Their FWD have hit cars parked next to them then the snowy season, failed to close, and open at times (usually at home). The husband told me Tesla made them a buyback offer but its 30K off what they paid for the vehicle so they are stuck. They also have a Sienna minivan, not one problem in the last 5 years... haha!
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Elon is the greatest reinventor of all times! LOL, I just coined a new word to show my respect to Thomas Edison of our times.
He reinvented car doors to make them less reliable than they were.
 
Pushmi-Pullyu said:
Yet another Tesla bashing post that our other resident Tesla Death Cultist, InsideInvestors, gave a "like" to.

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Stating a factual event is now Tesla bashing? How so? I just stated what the couple told me, not bashing at all... I am going to ask them for their repair paperwork so I can post it on here, just for you...PuPu...
 
David Green said:
It is very interesting how you chop up my quotes and post things completely out of context...
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Well okay, that's a fair cop in this one case. You said:

"Sales increase percentage does not matter so much when you are starting from scratch, that is a metric that is more applicable to mature companies."
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And you're right, it was out of context for me to quote:

"Sales increase percentage does not matter..."
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Your point is exactly why, when I post the following:

Tesla’s global automobile sales totals:
2012: 2650
2013: 22,300
2014: 31,655 (+41.95%)
2015: 50,580 (+59.8%)
2016: 76,230 (+50.7%)
2017: 101,312 (+32.9%)
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...I don't bother to include the percentage increase from 2012 to 2013. Starting from near zero, the percentage increase is rather meaningless.

But it's a very, very different situation this year. Tesla going through "production hell" to roughly double its production in one year (or maybe even more?) is rather far from meaningless. And investors know it's very far from meaningless; hence the major "short squeeze" which is almost certainly coming soon, as Tesla not only doubles production, but also likely starts regularly showing a net profit, starting with the current quarter.

For most forum members I'd offer an apology, Mr. Green, for quoting them out of context. But you carpet-bombing that Clean Technica discussion thread with literally dozens of naked Tesla Death Cult FUD-mongering posts makes it very clear that showing you civility would be casting pearls before swine. On this forum, Mr. Green, you make a thin pretense of not being a TSLA short-seller, but there you showed your true colors. The name of that article at Clean Technica is "Tesla Shorts Are Scared, Exposed, & Desperate" ...and your dozens of posts there certainly showed how very true that is!

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Pushmi-Pullyu said:
Well okay, that's a fair cop in this one case. You said:

"Sales increase percentage does not matter so much when you are starting from scratch, that is a metric that is more applicable to mature companies."
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And you're right, it was out of context for me to quote:

"Sales increase percentage does not matter..."
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Your point is exactly why, when I post the following:

Tesla’s global automobile sales totals:
2012: 2650
2013: 22,300
2014: 31,655 (+41.95%)
2015: 50,580 (+59.8%)
2016: 76,230 (+50.7%)
2017: 101,312 (+32.9%)
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...I don't bother to include the percentage increase from 2012 to 2013. Starting from near zero, the percentage increase is rather meaningless.

But it's a very, very different situation this year. Tesla going through "production hell" to roughly double its production in one year (or maybe even more?) is rather far from meaningless. And investors know it's very far from meaningless; hence the major "short squeeze" which is almost certainly coming soon, as Tesla not only doubles production, but also likely starts regularly showing a net profit, starting with the current quarter.

For most forum members I'd offer an apology, Mr. Green, for quoting them out of context. But you carpet-bombing that Clean Technica discussion thread with literally dozens of naked Tesla Death Cult FUD-mongering posts makes it very clear that showing you civility would be casting pearls before swine. On this forum, Mr. Green, you make a thin pretense of not being a TSLA short-seller, but there you showed your true colors. The name of that article at Clean Technica is "Tesla Shorts Are Scared, Exposed, & Desperate" ...and your dozens of posts there certainly showed how very true that is!

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haha, Clean Techna deleted a few of my posts, I guess they do not like me questioning whether the author of the article is a Tesla shareholder... I think that is a fair and valid question when you write a Tesla puff piece based mostly on speculation, and guessing. Similar to what I do with future Tesla numbers, I just happen to get a bit closer then those guys. Are you ready for my Model 3 sales prediction for July in the USA... 10400 USA, and about 800 in Canada Zach at Clean Techna published 16K, lets see who is closer...
 
David Green said:
haha, Clean Techna deleted a few of my posts, I guess they do not like me questioning whether the author of the article is a Tesla shareholder.
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Another falsehood. His disclaimer about being a "long" investor in TSLA is in the "About the author" paragraph at the bottom of the article.

Now, how about you owning up to your "short" investment, hmmm?

No equivalence there.

David Green said:
I think that is a fair and valid question when you write a Tesla puff piece based mostly on speculation, and guessing.
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I've read a lot of puff pieces. That wasn't one. That's a very well informed and penetrating analysis. It can be used as a "bible" for those debunking Tesla Death Cult FUD... and will be by me! I didn't just bookmark it, I archived the text in case it is removed from the site at some future date.

In fact, that authoritative and very useful article deserves another link: "Tesla Shorts Are Scared, Exposed, & Desperate — Memo To Media: Don’t Be Duped"
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Pushmi-Pullyu said:
Another falsehood. His disclaimer about being a "long" investor in TSLA is in the "About the author" paragraph at the bottom of the article.

Now, how about you owning up to your "short" investment, hmmm?

No equivalence there.



I've read a lot of puff pieces. That wasn't one. That's a very well informed and penetrating analysis. It can be used as a "bible" for those debunking Tesla Death Cult FUD... and will be by me! I didn't just bookmark it, I archived the text in case it is removed from the site at some future date.

In fact, that authoritative and very useful article deserves another link: "Tesla Shorts Are Scared, Exposed, & Desperate — Memo To Media: Don’t Be Duped"
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I don't think David has any reason to not disclose a financial position. Questioning his statement about it isn't helpful. If he had a short position, I believe he'd be quite happy to say so.

In my opinion, Zachary Shahan's financial position in Tesla should be stated in the body of the article -- either at the end or beginning -- not just in his bio, which is frequently skipped over by readers.

For ourselves, InsideEVs staff are not allowed to own stock in the companies we cover. This has long been the ethical standard for journalistic publications (outside of financial reporting, which is a special case), so I find Shahan's position (and Fred Lambert's at Electrek) to be especially egregious.

That's not to say this particular article has false info or likely to be overly optimistic (haven't read it myself yet), just that the above should be kept in mind while reading it.
 
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Domenick said:
I don't think David has any reason to not disclose a financial position. Questioning his statement about it isn't helpful. If he had a short position, I believe he'd be quite happy to say so.

In my opinion, Zachary Shahan's financial position in Tesla should be stated in the body of the article -- either at the end or beginning -- not just in his bio, which is frequently skipped over by readers.

For ourselves, InsideEVs staff are not allowed to own stock in the companies we cover. This has long been the ethical standard for journalistic publications (outside of financial reporting, which is a special case), so I find Shahan's position (and Fred Lambert's at Electrek) to be especially egregious.

That's not to say this particular article has false info or likely to be overly optimistic (haven't read it myself yet), just that the above should be kept in mind while reading it.
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Thanks... for coming to my rescue... I wonder sometimes if PuPu and Bob, realize that every time they flip me crap about my opinions it does not bully me down, but merely makes me harden my opinion, and dig deeper... I think Nikki at Transport Evolved really hit the nail on the head with her video last week about Bulls vs Bears, and how they are affecting the overall EV perception... Its not healthy, that I know... Domenick, you are absolutely right, if I had gone short on Tesla, I would be happy to talk about it. I have never been secretive about my personal investing positions. I read an equal amount of both bullish and bearish information relating to Tesla, and would rather be "informed" then right or wrong.


I agree with you completely on Zach, and Fred, in my opinion, neither are journalists, they are just stock pumpers, trying to help their own investments. Totally understandable since they both own shares.

 
Hey,
It's interesting to see how different perspectives can shape discussions. It's true that criticism can sometimes strengthen our views instead of weakening them. That video from Nikki about Bulls vs Bears sounds insightful. Let's remember that healthy debates contribute to balanced perspectives.
 
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