Comma Prime is not at all required right now, and in fact, you don't need any SIM card in the EON. Maybe down the road that's something they'll require, but it's completely optional for now. My understanding is that Comma Prime allows you to easily upload your drives so they can be used in the machine learning model updates, however many people upload their drives via WiFi when they're at home I believe.
comma.ai. Would you do it?
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Comma Prime is not at all required right now, and in fact, you don't need any SIM card in the EON. Maybe down the road that's something they'll require, but it's completely optional for now. My understanding is that Comma Prime allows you to easily upload your drives so they can be used in the machine learning model updates, however many people upload their drives via WiFi when they're at home I believe.
fotomoto
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I have an EON 1 kit from my Prius that I want to port over to the Clarity. I recently purchased the gray panda and a custom harness from r1ptide64 (Thanks!) What else do I need to do to proceed with installation? Clear OP from the EON and reload a Clarity branch? Other hardware?
TIA
r1ptide64
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Yep, you got it. Here's a good write-up of the steps involved: https://medium.com/@jfrux/comma-eon-installing-a-fork-of-openpilot-5c2b5c134b4b
I don't think you'll need any additional hardware. Join us on discord if you run into any snags.
Al-clarity
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Check out headless open pilot on YouTube. Someone used Honda Bosch camera and raspberry to run without eon. Way more cleaner and cheaper. Personally I am waiting for that to boil and spill over to other hardware. Not sure it has been mentioned. Sorry if I am repeating.
r1ptide64
New Member
PSA for anyone reading this and balking at the prices involved: you don't need to buy hardware directly from comma.ai. The $600 EON DevKit ~= OP3T Android phone (here's a used one for $110 on eBay) + the parts from this GitHub repo ($20~$40, depending on what you have on hand and whether you have access to a 3D printer or would need to pay)
Cash Traylor
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Yes! If anyone else has seen my other posts then they already knew this would be my answer. However, this is my "family" car and that dash beast has to go. I was aware of autonomous open source projects. Funny, I have used openpilot a lot (but for drones in model aviation on open hardware). This is a slightly different beast but I like the concept and the information. I am not a fan of the crowd sourced AI, that is just my personal thing - just to much info and the Clarity already reports enough to the home office (though less than some other brands). However, I am going to wait for a little cleaner code as some of the AI interfacing is a little above me (I'm more a microcontroller person). However, I am now looking at building one of these things using maybe a Jetson SBC (or maybe even a RPI 4 as it is getting close enough to the minimum power requirements if I use more than one. I want to do this using a small separate camera (or the built-in Honda Bosch one) and inertial sensor package that I could hide right behind the mirror, no phone mount. Then pipe the data by fine wire to a hidden SBC (in the dash, lots of room by the now removed ANC module, and any pc fans will not be heard there by the cabin fans). Then a simple lan cable over to the ODB2 port and Panda module. I could then use a screen sharing package to just "replay" the VNC terminal on the SBC to the Infotainment screen and maybe use bluetooth to send remote control keyboard commands back to the SBC to control the autopilot... This is possible but would be a full engineering job with software to boot.... hmmm, may have to wait until summer to try this. My wife would evict me if I started this now...
However, so that I have a baseline and support the team behind the project I would probably start by buying there complete system and using it as a test bed for migration to my concept. Did someone say they were getting 110 degrees of steering wheel deflection in turns/lane following?!?!? If Honda doesn't buy me a new battery for the car in 6 more years... and my daughter doesn't decide she wants my old car, which right now my 11 year old thinks my Clarity is the coolest car out there ;-) I am going to turn this thing (post warranty) into a major science experiment!!!! [insert maniacal laughter soundtrack here]
I should stop reading dev posts like this, they get me in trouble.
Cheers,
Cash
However, so that I have a baseline and support the team behind the project I would probably start by buying there complete system and using it as a test bed for migration to my concept. Did someone say they were getting 110 degrees of steering wheel deflection in turns/lane following?!?!? If Honda doesn't buy me a new battery for the car in 6 more years... and my daughter doesn't decide she wants my old car, which right now my 11 year old thinks my Clarity is the coolest car out there ;-) I am going to turn this thing (post warranty) into a major science experiment!!!! [insert maniacal laughter soundtrack here]
I should stop reading dev posts like this, they get me in trouble.
Cheers,
Cash
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fotomoto
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Long story short, I finally have OpenPilot working in Claire! Running kegman 0.7.2_Plus branch.
So far only done a couple of short drives of city/hwy mix and except for distance pacing selection (aka car lengths) not available, it works WAY better than OEM and much better than in my previous Toyota Prius install that I's switching over from. Love the auto-resume from full stop; lane change works smoothly (not jerky), overall performance is much smoother than anything I've experienced so far (honda, subaru, toyota systems). So far only "con" is Honda steering isn't as strong as Toyota so it gives up on curves that the Prius would make but that's not OP's fault.
So far only done a couple of short drives of city/hwy mix and except for distance pacing selection (aka car lengths) not available, it works WAY better than OEM and much better than in my previous Toyota Prius install that I's switching over from. Love the auto-resume from full stop; lane change works smoothly (not jerky), overall performance is much smoother than anything I've experienced so far (honda, subaru, toyota systems). So far only "con" is Honda steering isn't as strong as Toyota so it gives up on curves that the Prius would make but that's not OP's fault.
Cash Traylor
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This is a great discussion about the Clarity and the OpenPilot/Comma AI. I did not see this article in this thread yet (attached below). I have been following the work of the Gernby fork for a headless unit, as the Bosch camera can do everything the snapdragon based smartphone can. I also think that an interface for it can be built into the infotainment system for a "built in" factory look (with the brain box SBC hidden in the dash, lots of room by the ANC module). The one requirement I have yet to figure out is the dual buss relays to allow the fall back failure mode to direct connect the OEM hardware back to the camera. This is what is included in the Comma Two, but will not work for the Clarity. I may have to wait as those coding requirements are beyond me, and would likely never make it into the official package.
https://medium.com/@wirelessnet2/op...nd-the-port-to-the-honda-clarity-16341d53c9aa
Glad to hear about several successes in installing the openpilot in the Clarity. Would some who have done it post photos of their final install. I am currious about the appearance. This is a piece of hardware that you would have to remove anytime you take the car in for service unless well hidden and deactivated (ie, Honda Hack style) and that is a lot of wear and tear on plastic covers, mounts, etc. Hmmm....
Cheers,
Cash
https://medium.com/@wirelessnet2/op...nd-the-port-to-the-honda-clarity-16341d53c9aa
Glad to hear about several successes in installing the openpilot in the Clarity. Would some who have done it post photos of their final install. I am currious about the appearance. This is a piece of hardware that you would have to remove anytime you take the car in for service unless well hidden and deactivated (ie, Honda Hack style) and that is a lot of wear and tear on plastic covers, mounts, etc. Hmmm....
Cheers,
Cash
Check the car and driver feb2020 issue. They compare tesla autopilot, Cadillac supercruise and comma.ai
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fotomoto
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Yeah I read that yesterday after seeing his (wirelessnet2) postings on discord. Earlier last week, he helped me tremendously getting my setup going as it would have been pretty much impossible on my own (I know, I tried). I did not remove the stock camera to make room like he did as I want to be able to revert back to stock quickly. Except for the EON itself, I was able to thread the custom harness out of the camera housing and tuck the panda and cables in the headliner; everything except the gps antennae. I doubt I would have issues taking it in for service after I reverted the harness connection back to the stock camera (and remove the EON from the windshield mount of course). The gps unit looks like any other transponder; could be for XM radio, etc.
Then I saw another possible solution using a raspberry pi.....
wirelessnet2
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Hi Everyone! It seems that my name has made its way around here. I've ported the last five versions of OpenPilot to the Clarity, as well as support for the latest hardware. The OpenPilot Clarity community is stronger than ever, and if you're on the fence about OpenPilot... don't be. It'll literally be the best $1000 you ever spent. The experience is a lot more amazing in person than in videos.
I did a writeup of my work for my HS senior project, but I think others could find some goodies in it too (this was posted above, but I gotta plug myself, right? =P): https://medium.com/@wirelessnet2/op...nd-the-port-to-the-honda-clarity-16341d53c9aa
If you're interested (or committed), join our Clarity OpenPilot discord community! https://discord.gg/bh5jPQW
I did a writeup of my work for my HS senior project, but I think others could find some goodies in it too (this was posted above, but I gotta plug myself, right? =P): https://medium.com/@wirelessnet2/op...nd-the-port-to-the-honda-clarity-16341d53c9aa
If you're interested (or committed), join our Clarity OpenPilot discord community! https://discord.gg/bh5jPQW
Cash Traylor
Well-Known Member
And a brief conversation with @wirelessnet2 confirmed a major flaw in my plan. The Clarity (gulp) does not use the Bosch camera. So, all my headless openpilot plans are out the window (at least as currently envisioned). However for good news it looks like he has been able to port the whole thing, including the Comma Two to the Clarity (with a custom harness). So, this driver assistance platform is available to us with far less pain that without their work. For now, I am putting this project on the back burner as I don't want a phone on my windscreen. However I am not turning the burner off entirely! I like the idea of being able to improve upon the existing driver features in the Clarity. Opensource software and hardware are also very dear to my heart conceptually (not free, just "open").
Cheers,
Cash
Cheers,
Cash
CyberDyneSystems
Member
I've been following this and dropping into the discord off and off for close to a year now and I am fully intrigued. I am however still not sure I am ready to dive in. After reading wirelessnet2's article, in particular I am unsure I want to make an alteration that would force my Clarity to give up the stock "ADAS"
It looks like I would want to hold out for the mega triple Panda approach.
"can can , can you do the can can?"
It looks like I would want to hold out for the mega triple Panda approach.
"can can , can you do the can can?"
wirelessnet2
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replacing the stock garbage is totally worth it. It's really not that hard and it makes the driving experience shockingly similar to one you'd have in an AutoPilot-equipped Tesla on highways.