Buying an EV and Charging Network

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To drive long distances in an EV, you are also buying a fast DC charger:
  • SuperCharger and CHAdeMO
  • CCS
  • Range Extender (built-in)
The first step is to do a requirements analysis. So we have two, long distance travel requirements:
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  • The "wrench" icons show planned, not built, fast DC chargers
  • Huntsville AL to Rogers AR: 557 mi
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  • Little Rock AR to Rogers AR: 212 miles + Rogers AR to Tulsa OK: 119 miles
  • Little Rock AR to Tulsa OK: 274 miles
The charging network changes over time but as of today:
  • long range Model 3 - using the SuperCharger and CHAdeMO network can complete the trip in less than a day.
  • other Teslas - add a 119 mi segment that with charging takes +3 hours.
  • all other EVs - no way of making the trip except by taking days using substantially slower L2 chargers.
  • Range Extender - no problem, just fill-up at any truck stop or gas station.
It is easy to forget the unique competitive edge of the Tesla fast DC chargers. But when you consider any non-Teslas and even the Leaf, there is no way they could meet our requirements. Of course the range extender, plug-in hybrids go anywhere thanks to the extensive gasoline station network.

Bob Wilson
 
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You live in a EV desert. Just drive your plug-in, problem solved.

It's hard to justify adding charging station in the deep South when it's not a desired destination and the demand is not there.
 
JyChevyVolt said:
You live in a EV desert. Just drive your plug-in, problem solved.

It's hard to justify adding charging station in the deep South when it's not a desired destination and the demand is not there.
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Exactly... Bob lives in the South, where EV adoption is a bit slower. Up here in Seattle, its actually Tesla superchargers that are weak, only 1 route to go East... I-90 Nothing on Highway 2, or North Cascades 20... Electrify America in phase 1 will surpass Tesla superchargers from Seattle in the routes we use...
 
JyChevyVolt said:
the deep South when it's not a desired destination
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  • Dr Pepper in the Coke machine
  • Chicken fried steak covers the plate - 'White or brown gravy?'
  • Sweet or unsweet tea year round
  • Grits - cheese and/or sausage gravy?
  • Sweet corn bread muffins - breakfast, lunch, or dinner
  • Pecan pie
  • Honey, butter rice for breakfast
  • Good, fried catfish
  • Smoked meat BBQ (not those funky pizza sauces from inferior regions)
  • Pinto beans year round with smoked ham pieces
  • One can take a breath while talking and not get interrupted
  • Yankee 'talk' means hiding the knives and guns because someone is going to get hurt
  • Opening a door for a gal running around the car is expected and does not scare her
  • Gun control means group size at the range
  • Road rage means someone is going to die
  • Four cars arrive at the same time at a four way stop take extra time to figure out who goes first
  • Southern gals expect to be obeyed and have 51% of the marriage stock . . . (terrifying!)
Bob Wilson
 
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bwilson4web said:
  • Dr Pepper in the Coke machine
  • Chicken fried steak covers the plate - 'White or brown gravy?'
  • Sweet or unsweet tea year round
  • Grits - cheese and/or sausage gravy?
  • Sweet corn bread muffins - breakfast, lunch, or dinner
  • Pecan pie
  • Honey, butter rice for breakfast
  • Good, fried catfish
  • Smoked meat BBQ (not those funky pizza sauces from inferior regions)
  • Pinto beans year round with smoked ham pieces
  • One can take a breath while talking and not get interrupted
  • Yankee 'talk' means hiding the knives and guns because someone is going to get hurt
  • Opening a door for a gal is expected and not the result in fear
  • Gun control means group size at the range
  • Road rage means someone is going to die
  • Four cars arrive at the same time at a four way stop take extra time to figure out who goes first
Bob Wilson
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I was just down there a month ago in North Carolina, people are super nice, and polite... and there are lots of churches...
 
bwilson4web said:
  • One can take a breath while talking and not get interrupted
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Contrast with New York City residents. I spent some time doing phone work, calling around the country. I learned that if you call someone in NYC, you'd better start talking immediately after they answer the phone. If you pause for even half a second to catch your breath before you start to talk, they will hang up the phone.

I am not exaggerating.
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David Green said:
Exactly... Bob lives in the South, where EV adoption is a bit slower. Up here in Seattle, its actually Tesla superchargers that are weak, only 1 route to go East... I-90 Nothing on Highway 2, or North Cascades 20... Electrify America in phase 1 will surpass Tesla superchargers from Seattle in the routes we use...
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Well there are more superchargers planned for 2018, including one in Wenatchee. Whether they get built this year, I don't know.

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=47.10229652427408,-122.66620565908198,46.97337380112464,-123.13518454091792&zoom=12&filters=store,service,supercharger,destination charger

Since you have stated that you go wine tasting, there is a supercharger in the TriCities. There is also a supercharger in Coeur d' Alene, which not far from Spokane.

There are no CCS chargers on the Peninsula nor are any planned unless more money is available.

If the scheduled Tesla superchargers get built within the next year, most holes in their network will get filled. I can't say that about the CSS network.
 
marshall said:
Well there are more superchargers planned for 2018, including one in Wenatchee. Whether they get built this year, I don't know.

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=47.10229652427408,-122.66620565908198,46.97337380112464,-123.13518454091792&zoom=12&filters=store,service,supercharger,destination charger

Since you have stated that you go wine tasting, there is a supercharger in the TriCities. There is also a supercharger in Coeur d' Alene, which not far from Spokane.

There are no CCS chargers on the Peninsula nor are any planned unless more money is available.

If the scheduled Tesla superchargers get built within the next year, most holes in their network will get filled. I can't say that about the CSS network.
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The Leavenworth 16 stall supercharger opened last week, Tesla currently has 22 stations under construction in the USA over half in CA, and the way I understand it that will be all for this year. Tesla is in cost cutting mode right now, and even though there are a further 40 stations permitted, no construction has been started in months.

I am not sure about the Peninsula, but there are many holes in WA state that vacationers cannot travel without going off the fast charging route. North Cascades has no coverage, White pass no coverage, Northern Eastern WA Okanogan area no coverage.

For wine tasting, I usually go to Walla Walla, I am not sure I would ever take an EV on that trip though, as charging would be too much of an issue, and I usually make the trip over, and back the same day, that would require 3 fast charges, its just not convenient in the time constraint. I will let the people making youtube videos make those kind of trips.
 
Yakima and Okanogan are on the Telsa supercharger map as scheduled installs for 2018. That takes care of White Pass and Okanogan.

The CCS installs are not even close.
 
marshall said:
Yakima and Okanogan are on the Telsa supercharger map as scheduled installs for 2018. That takes care of White Pass and Okanogan.

The CCS installs are not even close.
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None of the sites you mention are currently under construction or even permitted at this stage, Its safe to assume that is is not going to happen this year. The cross Canada route likewise has been cancelled for 2018, as there is no money for that... Canadians have been talking a lot about this on the Tesla forums, as when they bought cars, Tesla had promised that route in 2016/2017, and 2018, now it is not happening until 2019 at the earliest. Look at some of the sites that have been permitted for 6 months, or more, but no construction...

Without a doubt CCS is behind the Supercharger network at this stage of the game, but there are far more CCS stations in the USA currently under construction then there are Supercharger stations, so that means to me CCS is gaining... Right now, the only supercharger even permitted in WA, OR, ID, MT, WY, NV, UT is the one in Bellevue WA, and there are none under construction in those areas. At the same time Tesla has closed the purse, they are basically full stop on Superchargers in the 2H 2018, just finishing the ongoing projects, Look at Asia, and Europe, its a near full stop.. Tesla cut 500-750M in planned CapEx for 2018 trying to get to profit, I guess the superchargers took the brunt of those cuts. An analyst tried to ask for details on these cuts in the last earnings call, but that is when Elon made that infamous statement about "boring bonehead questions"... Here is a reminder of the question that led to that comment by Musk,

((Antonio M. Sacconaghi - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC

Okay. And then separately, what if anything are you taking out in terms of your lowered CapEx projection for this year? And specifically, in spending less than $3 billion, where does that take you in terms of both battery and production capacity for the Model 3?))

I use this site, as it is the source often used as the premier information on Supercharger deployment. This often has more up to date information then Tesla's own site.

https://supercharge.info/map
 
JyChevyVolt said:
It's hard to justify adding charging station in the deep South when it's not a desired destination and the demand is not there.
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You might want to visit the south sometime soon...

In Texas there are EVs everywhere, and the south has more cars than anywhere besides the North East. Nearly half of the top 13 states in regards to cars per capita are in the south. Also, the south is growing a lot in terms of population. Atlanta is booming, Dallas is booming, Miami is now the wealthiest city in the US and top 15 in the world. Florida and Texas have the most cars of any state behind California. And the travel/vacation economy for the gulf states and carolinas are doing very well. What is hard to justify about that? LOL
 
Jack said:
You might want to visit the south sometime soon...

In Texas there are EVs everywhere, and the south has more cars than anywhere besides the North East. Nearly half of the top 13 states in regards to cars per capita are in the south. Also, the south is growing a lot in terms of population. Atlanta is booming, Dallas is booming, Miami is now the wealthiest city in the US and top 15 in the world. Florida and Texas have the most cars of any state behind California. And the travel/vacation economy for the gulf states and carolinas are doing very well. What is hard to justify about that? LOL
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Deep South is Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina, Mississippi, and Louisiana. I would consider East Texas and North Florida as part of the Deep South.

Miami nor Austin is considered the Deep South.
 
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