Battery Capacity Test Results

Yes, I got the dialog box and entered name / description. Then there was what I think was an 'upload' symbol next to the pencil. I probably did it OK.
With the control units that do work, I had a failure with the 'Body Electrical'. All others seemed to pass. Did yours fail the 'Body Electrical' too?
 
MrFixit said:
Yes, I got the dialog box and entered name / description. Then there was what I think was an 'upload' symbol next to the pencil. I probably did it OK.
With the control units that do work, I had a failure with the 'Body Electrical'. All others seemed to pass. Did yours fail the 'Body Electrical' too?
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What are the body codes? BE is in charge of a wide range of modules (gauges, security, memory seats, nav, etc). We usually trip those from unplugging door switches, speakers, etc. My car came up clean on both my scans.

It wouldnt hurt to mention the Electric Drivetrain line to the Autel guy you end up communicating to. Perhaps they can push the correct PID's on the next update.
 
MrFixit said:
Yes, I got the dialog box and entered name / description. Then there was what I think was an 'upload' symbol next to the pencil. I probably did it OK.
With the control units that do work, I had a failure with the 'Body Electrical'. All others seemed to pass. Did yours fail the 'Body Electrical' too?
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AlAl said:
What are the body codes? BE is in charge of a wide range of modules (gauges, security, memory seats, nav, etc). We usually trip those from unplugging door switches, speakers, etc. My car came up clean on both my scans.

It wouldnt hurt to mention the Electric Drivetrain line to the Autel guy you end up communicating to. Perhaps they can push the correct PID's on the next update.
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Body electric came up clean on mine as well, did you look at the DTCs? I had some odd failure codes when I ran it the first time, but they cleared and have not returned.
 
Wife taking car away for 5 days...
WIll not be able to play for a while, but will look at specific body code late in the week !
The indication was that there was one failure.

Wait - I caught her rolling out, and read her codes !!

The Body Electrical expanded into a list of a dozen items:

B-CAN control units information
Gauges
Lighting
Door Locks
Keyless Transmitter
Power Windows
Wiper
Security
HVAC/Climate Control
Power Seat/Power Mirror
Telematics
Seat Heater

No codes flagged at this level, but working down through the list, I found a code under 'Lighting' - 'Read Codes'...
There, it showed a U0199 Permanent DTC - "Power seat control unit lost communication with door multiplex control unit (drlocksw frame).

Unaware of any problem with power seats, so probably a bogus code (or a bug with the code in the AP200 (suspicious that this code appears under 'Lighting').
 
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MrFixit said:
Wife taking car away for 5 days...
WIll not be able to play for a while, but will look at specific body code late in the week !
The indication was that there was one failure.

Wait - I caught her rolling out, and read her codes !!

The Body Electrical expanded into a list of a dozen items:
No codes flagged at this level, but working down through the list, I found a code under 'Lighting' - 'Read Codes'...
There, it showed a U0199 Permanent DTC - "Power seat control unit lost communication with door multiplex control unit (drlocksw frame).
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Upon completion of the scan, is there a view report button somewhere? This gives you a breakdown of all the DTC's and which category it slots under. Saving as pdf and viewing should clean it up too.
 
Amazon has a Lightening Deal on a range of Autels right now. There are six hours left on the deals and currently it is 7:55pm Central Time.


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All we know for sure is the 'professional' one that @AlAl used works, and the MK808BT that @sniwallof tried works. I tried the AP200 (their low-end unit) and it doesn't work, but I am optimistic that an update could fix it. I looked at the Amazon deals, and the MK808BT is $530 (not much different than what @sniwallof paid). The only thing I see that looks like a good deal is the MK808 (listed as a deal of the day for $331). We have no proof that this one will 'work', but there is a pretty good chance. I am going to stick with the AP200 that I have already in the hope of working with their tech support to get an applicable update. The AP200 is also a deal-of-the-day at $58 (I paid $70).
 
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Just a follow-up on this issue...
I had an interaction with Autel after finding out that the AP200 scan did not include the desired "Electric Powertrain" parameters. The response I got seems consistent with what @PascoClarity was told with his earlier inquiry.

Here is their response:
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Dear Customer,
Firstly, generally it shows on Your Devices, anyway, if everything is showing normal on AP200 app, you can use it directly. As for the Honda datalog, engineers have analysed, they say this is new car that's not supported now, we plan to release new update V2.00 at the beginning of September to support it. Thank you for the feedback.
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As discussed earlier, I am certain that the AP200 is capable of obtaining the details that we want.
That, coupled with the fact that their tablet-based tools already do this, makes me very optimistic that we will have a nice ~$60 tool that will satisfy the wildest dreams of the technical geeks on this forum

I will keep an eye out for the update that they refer to, and keep everyone posted.
 
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Just a follow-up on this issue... we plan to release new update V2.00 at the beginning of September to support it. Thank you for the feedback. ... As discussed earlier, I am certain that the AP200 is capable ...
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Probably Sep. 1 is jumping the gun; but are there updates yet?
 
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Wishful thinking (particularly with 9/1 being a holiday) !
I have not seen any indication of an update yet.

There are at least 3 of us who have AP200's. My intention is to start a thread that is specifically oriented around the AP200's. I would like to wait for the promised update and then start a thread, but if we get toward the end of September, I'll probably start a thread regardless.

Keep your fingers crossed.
 
Another Autel update.
I contacted them again today regarding the V2.0 release that was expected in September. Although they are responsive when I correspond with them, it now looks like the new release will not appear this month.

Here is their exact response:

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Dear Customer,
Really sorry that since engineers find other problems and still working on it, also still have to test for some time, so the firmware was prompted, it may be released next month. Thanks for understanding and waiting.
Have a nice day!

Best Regards
Tech Support
Autel Intelligent Technology Corp., Ltd.
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As owners of ?Clarities? I'm sure we have no leverage to urge them to prioritize anything. But, the way this thing is architected, the release is for all Honda vehicles so I'm sure there is some incentive to complete this. There is also no guarantee that this new release will fix the Clarity issues, but since their other higher-end tools seem to work, we at least know that they have the secret sauce in-hand.
 
Too bad we don't know if this device can ultimately retrieve the information we desire...
It's about time for me to ping them again to see where the update stands. I will post any new information (or non-information).
 
Once again, I got the brush-off from Autel...
To their credit, they always respond to my requests, it's just that the update keeps getting delayed.
Now, not until next year...

Their words here:
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Really sorry that the plan was delayed, and confirmed with senior engineers again, they will not release new software for AP200 Honda this year, and the plan postpone to next year. Sorry again for the trouble caused.


Best Regards
Daisy Zeng/ Tech Support
Autel Intelligent Technology Corp., Ltd.
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One more step towards nowhere with the AP200.

After shelving this for a while, I checked yesterday and the long-promised update has come out.
When I ran the tool, the AP-200 Firmware updated from V1.03 to V1.05, and the Honda Diagnostics is now at V2.01.

Sadly, this update did nothing to facilitate access to the Electric Powertrain parameters. Still a no--go.
As before, I have contacted Autel tech support. No reason for optimism at this point.
 
Well, since I started the thread about battery capacity reports for gathering trend data for long term warranty analysis (planned a spreadsheet with member reports for trend monitoring and note any deviations from standard) - I think I should have dug in more here. We know the data is available over the OBDII interface, it is the decoding of the data stream and proper scaling that we do not have. There is a python module for doing this and the Panda mentioned earlier allows unfiltered access to most of the buss. Some cars report SOC info on PID 0x5B of mode 1, but we want the capacity report and much more. I am guessing that no one has started digging through the Panda streams yet on this thread? If the AP200 supported us then for the price it is the best deal. However, one of the things I have wanted what a way to display the data on our Infotainment system.... The only way I see that happening is with something open source. However getting the definitions of the non-standard PIDs is the holy grail for aftermarket scantools and why this is so hard. The good thing is that if we are just looking at a few variables, like battery capacity - we can get the real value from a Honda test, then use that to data mine the available stream. comma.ai has a lot of tools that although not for this purpose specifically will suffice. All it takes is time and effort. @MrFixit is monitoring the entry level device that would be the simplest and cheapest solution if they ever added the functionality.

For now it seams (based on my reading) that we have the entry level around $50 that doesn't work but the manufacturer says firmware is coming, to the one ten times the price that works. These options give us a lot of tools for self diagnosing and working on our own vehicles, or at least knowing a lot more before we go in so that our "dealer experiences" may be more informed. We have all seen the questions pop up on this forum where these tools would be a benefit, calm fears, or at least prepare us for the next step. Most of our cars are under warranty - so there is that. But the HV battery warranty is the big unknown and one of the most costly items on our car. It is VERY obvious that Honda doesn't want to make this information readily available (the warranty threshold, full failure they set a DTC and turn an idiot light on). If you do not "ask" for this report - dealers don't do it...

I'm going the Panda route and going to try to get this stuff sniffed out. If anyone in the maintenance sector ever gets whiff of the PID interpolative value and address for this data - please pass it on! As far as anything short of the $500 mark, the Panda I think is my best hope. It also would allow me to share the software here, and everyone just get a $100 plug in Dongle that "sticks it to the man!" (Honda)!

If I ever make progress I will report it back here. If there are any python gurus out there I may need some GUI coding help for the android app to display this on the Infotainment console via a widget. CL I have, but GUI's are out of my repertoire...

Cheers,

Cash
 
So I just had a battery peak capacity test done. I own a 2018 Honda clarity with 65K miles. My capacity test came out to 44AH. My effective range has been 31-36 EV miles depending on my driving. Even driving in the city and not running any heat, the most I will get is 37 miles. I live in south Florida.
 
That battery degradation is disappointing.

Do you know how many kwh it takes for a full charge?

What has been your charging and use pattern?
 
Interesting data point.

You have lost 20% of the original capacity.
With the warranty kicking in at 33% loss (36.7 ah), there is a chance you will drop below this within the remaining 35K miles of your warranty.
Keep us posted... I am not aware of any warranty replacements at this point. There was one forum member who was asked by Honda to exchange his battery for a new one. Apparently they saw something unusual in the data that prompted them to request a return.
 
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