At what miles was your first service

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4sallypat said:
Question: do people rotate tires to get maximum life or do you all not rotate and wear out the fronts way faster ?
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A long time ago I remember that the very first front wheel drive car I owned wore out the front tires way before the back ones. This never happened on any of my RWD cars since I keep them aligned and tire properly inflated. I learned my lesson then about FWD cars.
So I always rotate tires at about 6,000 miles or so. That way I’m not shopping early and wasting time getting just 2 tires more frequently than all 4 at once.
Lug nuts: 19 mm, 80 ft/lbs torque
Here’s how I do it:

Tire size 235/45R18 94V
OEM is Michelin AS Energy Saver
55,000 mile warranty, non directional
Wheel size 18 x 8J ET 50
Bolt Pattern PCD 5x114.3
36 psi
The Tire and Rim Association recommends the Forward Cross for FWD nondirectional Tires and rims
 
KentuckyKen said:
A long time ago I remember that the very first front wheel drive car I owned wore out the front tires way before the back ones. This never happened on any of my RWD cars since I keep them aligned and tire properly inflated. I learned my lesson then about FWD cars.
So I always rotate tires at about 6,000 miles or so. That way I’m not shopping early and wasting time getting just 2 tires more frequently than all 4 at once.
Lug nuts: 19 mm, 80 ft/lbs torque
Here’s how I do it:

Tire size 235/45R18 94V
OEM is Michelin AS Energy Saver
55,000 mile warranty, non directional
Wheel size 18 x 8J ET 50
Bolt Pattern PCD 5x114.3
36 psi
The Tire and Rim Association recommends the Forward Cross for FWD nondirectional Tires and rims
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This is very good information - thanks @KentuckyKen

I have never had LRR (low rolling resistance) tires before until the Clarity came along but I notice the wear and temp ratings are not as good as other premium tires ?

I wonder how long these tires will actually last in the real world with proper rotations ????
 
Yes, we’re all going to find out how long these whiz-bang low rolling resistance tire are going to last. With only a 55,000 mile tread life warranty and all the reports on the tire forums, I’m not optimistic. There has to be some trade off in wear, handling, noise, and grip to get the design and materials such that it gives us those precious few extra miles of range.

For some reason this diagram for the Forward Cross Rotation did not embed itself on my first post. Here it is:


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KentuckyKen said:
Yes, we’re all going to find out how long these whiz-bang low rolling resistance tire are going to last. With only a 55,000 mile tread life warranty and all the reports on the tire forums, I’m not optimistic. There has to be some trade off in wear, handling, noise, and grip to get the design and materials such that it gives us those precious few extra miles of range.

For some reason this diagram for the Forward Cross Rotation did not embed itself on my first post. Here it is:


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Yes, we shall see how they hold up as the ratings on the stock Michelin tires are lower than I expected - especially the Temp rating at "B".
Not a good mix for a car that is going to be used in hot sunny Southern California....

When it comes time to replace out, I will be looking at putting on some 3rd gen run flat tires (RFT).
With RFT you don't have to use the compressor and sealant on the side of the road - just drive a bit slower and get to a tire store...
Currently on my BMW, I have the 3rd gen Bridgestone Drive Guard RFT and love them - they are the FIRST comfortable RFT I have driven.

This is after many decades of awful RFT first gen tires like the Dunlops gave me a bad taste....
 
KentuckyKen said:
Yes, we’re all going to find out how long these whiz-bang low rolling resistance tire are going to last. With only a 55,000 mile tread life warranty and all the reports on the tire forums, I’m not optimistic. There has to be some trade off in wear, handling, noise, and grip to get the design and materials such that it gives us those precious few extra miles of range.

For some reason this diagram for the Forward Cross Rotation did not embed itself on my first post. Here it is:


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Fortunately, the OEM Clarity tires are not unidirectional so the Forward Cross will work. The Nokian Hakkapeliitta (I love typing that name) snow tires we have are unidirectional, so none of those patterns will work for them. These snow tires will have to stay on the same side of the car and just swap ends next winter. I not only appreciate the safety and mobility provided by our snow tires, but also how they're extending the lifespan of the OEM tires, which are now relaxing in our basement.
 
insightman said:
Fortunately, the OEM Clarity tires are not unidirectional so the Forward Cross will work. The Nokian Hakkapeliitta (I love typing that name) snow tires we have are unidirectional, so none of those patterns will work for them. These snow tires will have to stay on the same side of the car and just swap ends next winter. I not only appreciate the safety and mobility provided by our snow tires, but also how they're extending the lifespan of the OEM tires, which are now relaxing in our basement.
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@insightman, have you got the “not” in the wrong place?
 
Thanks for that info about resetting the MM. I have done that previously on my Civic Hybrids, have owned two before the Clarity became available. Also due to recent back surgery I’m not able to do the maintenance like I normally would. Oil changes, tire rotations, and such. So I let the Dealer do them for about $80.00. But I also had them do the software updates that were needed so its a wash for this maintenance period. As I’ll be handling it all in the future! Except for software updates and recalls.
 
insightman said:
Maybe our definition of "unidirectional" isn't the same? I'd call the Clarity's OEM tires "omnidirectional," if that was a word.
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Whoops, my bad, and Mea culpa!
Can I blame this on the closed head injury from the motorcycle wreck? My son accuses me of using it like a get out of jail free card.
I wrote “non-directional” which is of course the same as your “not unidirectional” for the OEMs. Sorry, I just couldn’t keep up and read it as bass-ackwards.
Please accept my humble apologies.
I think the Insight in your Insightman’s monicker may well refer to more than just your cherished old car, my friend.
 
KentuckyKen said:
My pleasure. It’s on p 479 in the manual.
Just use the Display/Information and the right/left arrow buttons on the steering wheel to select the Gear Icon. Then hold the Enter button for 10 seconds to enter reset mode. Then use up down arrows to select the individual item to reset instead of resetting all. Press Enter to reset the time you selected. (You can also select Cancel to end the process.)
Repeat as needed for additional items.
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Was A01.
Reset the tire rotation code only. But it still stayed at A0 since car is coming to first yr anniversary next month. So now says A0 due in 3 weeks.
What version of manual are you referring when you say pg 479
None of the versions I have matched.

my owners manual version came with car has 31TRWG00
The other ones I ordered from Honda have version numbers 31TRW600, 31TLA610
Last service they updated the CD with 31TRW-E01
 
JKroll:

if you go to owners.honda.com and choose your vehicle it will provide pdf links to the owners manual (the thick one), the owner's guide (then thin one that came with the car), and the warranty and other stuff. The page he was referencing was from the Owner's Manual on page 479. The procedure is copied here for those who are interested:
  1. Set the power mode to ON.
  2. Press the (display/information) button.
  3. Press the </> button to select the {wrench} icon, and press the ENTER button.
  4. Press and hold the ENTER button for about 10 seconds to enter the reset mode.
  5. Press ^/v to select a maintenance item to reset, or to select All Due Items (You can also select Cancel to end the process).
  6. Press the ENTER button to reset the selected item.
  7. Repeat from step 4 for other items you wish to reset.
 
JKroll said:
Was A01.
Reset the tire rotation code only. But it still stayed at A0 since car is coming to first yr anniversary next month. So now says A0 due in 3 weeks.
What version of manual are you referring when you say pg 479
None of the versions I have matched.

my owners manual version came with car has 31TRWG00
The other ones I ordered from Honda have version numbers 31TRW600, 31TLA610
Last service they updated the CD with 31TRW-E01
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It’s from the paper manual I ordered in March of 2018. The number is 31TRW602. I have no idea why there would be so many versions in just a year.
Makes no difference as @Ray B pointed out above, the directions are the same.
 
KentuckyKen said:
It’s from the paper manual I ordered in March of 2018. The number is 31TRW602. I have no idea why there would be so many versions in just a year.
Makes no difference as @Ray B pointed out above, the directions are the same.
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I wonder (but not enough to do the hard work) if the PDF manual has also changed?
 
KentuckyKen said:
It’s from the paper manual I ordered in March of 2018. The number is 31TRW602. I have no idea why there would be so many versions in just a year.
Makes no difference as @Ray B pointed out above, the directions are the same.
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verified that the current pdf version online is 31TRW602.

Dont know why they would send me older version of paper manual. I ordered around April-May.
I cannot order paper manual since its already past 6 months.
 
I got the MM message at around 6800 miles. When I went to schedule the appointment, it is called the 10k service. Am I scheduling it too early? I think I was too eager to get the range software update and the body plugs.
 
I am also interested in how long these tires will last. I have a 2011 Odyssey and that thing eats tires, a set usually lasts 30000-35000 miles, no matter the brand. The wear is even, it's not from any kind of malfunction in the car, tires just don't last that long on that car.
 
In the Chevy Volt manual there is this:
Engine Oil Change

Every 24 months or when the CHANGE ENGINE OIL SOON message displays, change the

engine oil and filter as soon as possible, within the next 1 000 km/ 600 mi. The engine oil and filter must be changed at least once

every 24 months.

So why does Honda insist that oil be changed at about 7,000 miles when the ICE has been on for 1/10 of that or less? If it is "as designed" then the design stinks. Honda should pay for the oil change, not owners.
 
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I drive a state vehicle that I put on less than 5000 miles per year (about 400 miles per month).
My motor pool mechanics who work on buses, vans, trucks, and all our organization vehicles - require all vehicles to receive an oil change and inspection annually.

So here's why vehicles that don't get driven much:

  • Oil changes needs to be done annually regardless of miles.
  • The less the engine is used, the more the oil contamination.

I have no issue with frequent oil changes if that means the engine lasts longer.

Glad to have purchased a Honda Care maintenance package covering as many oil changes the Honda MM says ...
 
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