Anyone else in lockdown?

[Rick2020Kona]

Am wondering in the end,which country and their citizens will receive the Darwin Award for their response to this crisis? Huummm?


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[hobbit]

Another real kicker for the non-EVed is that gas has gotten so cheap [at least in
the US, dipped under $2/gal] , and people in lockdown can't take advantage of it!

_H*

 

[FloridaSun]

Life goes on around here, just at a slower pace. Most Restaurants are open for carry out. Supermarkets are open but close earlier. Home Improvement Stores are open but only allow a certain number of people at a time. Traffic is about 50% lighter than usual. My town of just over 100k people has 2 confirmed cases. My entire county has about 37 and no deaths.
11 Hospitalizations, so, around here, there is no lack of available hospital beds.. I'm only driving 30 miles per day as opposed to an average of 100 miles before the virus..

 

[FloridaSun]

Another real kicker for the non-EVed is that gas has gotten so cheap [at least in
the US, dipped under $2/gal] , and people in lockdown can't take advantage of it!

_H*

Gas in low priced states will drop below $1 per gallon. $1.00 at some gas stations in Mississippi and 99 cents per gallon in Texas.
Here in Florida, the cheapest station are $1.49 per gallon.. Maybe this will drop used EV prices.. Maybe it's time to get the wife the BMW i3 that she wants..
I did fill up my F150 Crew Cab, 25 gallons at $1.65 per gallon as I had to haul some wood for a home improvement project..

 

[wizziwig]

In my area of southern California, most Hyundai and KIA dealers have closed their sales departments. Only keeping service open.

Does anyone else think the sales people will return in a month+ and find a parking lot full of dead cars? Maybe that will finally motivate all the EV manufacturers to fix the 12V battery maintenance issues. Or maybe the dealers will just disconnect the 12V batteries on all their cars before they leave since that would also protect their ICE cars.

 

[KiwiME]

Am wondering in the end,which country and their citizens will receive the Darwin Award for their response to this crisis? Huummm?

My impression is that every country has mismanaged this one way or another and the penalties to their populations will be devastating. The options are clear, either total lockdown until all the existing cases shake out, or apply half-hearted measures which will alway result continued exponential growth of slightly differing unacceptable magnitudes over 1.0.

In NZ we are in the third day of total at-home lockdown, other than walks or bike rides allowed outside within your family unit and 2 meter distancing from others. It seems to be adhered to in my area, it's very quiet and I have no doubt this will be effective. The mistakes our PM made earlier this month were assuming that incoming arrivals to the country would self-isolate, a mistake I think Canada has made as well on a larger scale by actively repatriating its citizens with minimal border controls. No one wants to self-isolate and I'm learning day by day why that is.
The continuing ongoing mistake being made here is that returning residents from overseas will not be quarantined if non-symptomatic. It's abundantly clear that infectiousness starts before the symptoms.

Australia's PM is dithering around but expected to apply a lockdown tomorrow. My sister lives there and is closing her music shop in Sydney today. It seems many countries follow the same thinking - disbelief, half-hearted piecemeal measures applied, than acceptance that lockdown is the only option. Ironically, if the entire world did this properly we could probably shake it off in a month. It seems many would be surprised if their cash investment in a fixed-rate savings account did not increase in value over time but are perplexed when a virus does the same thing.

 

[Toolworker]

Am wondering in the end,which country and their citizens will receive the Darwin Award for their response to this crisis? Huummm?

I thought the U.S. had taken the lead today. And in total number of cases, we have.

But on a per capita basis, we were only in 10th place as of yesterday.

And look at China. Some problems just do not respond well to individual liberty and the free market.

 

[ericy]

I thought the U.S. had taken the lead today. And in total number of cases, we have.

But on a per capita basis, we were only in 10th place as of yesterday.

And look at China. Some problems just do not respond well to individual liberty and the free market.

Those stats are only valid if the authorities are accurately reporting on what is going on and not covering things up.

 

[Toolworker]

Those stats are only valid if the authorities are accurately reporting on what is going on and not covering things up.

That might be true in places like China. In the U.S. reporting is more likely to be skewed by lack of national standards and oversight. Some places are getting quick or instant results. I think our county is still shipping to CDC and waiting 6 or 7 days, like Rand Paul did.

And the statistics are not comparable for other reasons. In the U.S. we are testing very few people, mostly only very sick ones, so getting a higher percentage of hits but missing a lot of infected people. In places like South Korea they are testing contacts, so the reverse is true.

 

[ericy]

And the statistics are not comparable for other reasons. In the U.S. we are testing very few people, mostly only very sick ones, so getting a higher percentage of hits but missing a lot of infected people. In places like South Korea they are testing contacts, so the reverse is true.

I know someone who is an immunologist who says we should track deaths rather than confirmed cases as this is much harder to fudge and not susceptible to questions of what kind of testing is being done.

Then again I have seen reports from China about the number of urns being delivered to crematorium, suggesting that they have way under-reported deaths as well as cases.

 

[KiwiME]

Because every country started their exponential growth at different times, comparing total case or death numbers at one time doesn't tell the whole story, even if per-capita. At such an early stage the total population of a country is not relevant since that does not limit it's natural propagation.

This site https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus is one of the best, IMO, for looking at the data in different ways. In the first graph below each curve by country starts after the 100 case mark. You can see that all of us are in roughly the same boat regarding continued growth from confirmed cases, with only slightly differing doubling rates either side of 3 days. This is undoubtedly because, until "herd immunity" takes effect, the propagation will be more dependant on population density rather than population totals.

Another way of observing the detailed progress I've learned from YouTube people better at math than myself is to plot new case numbers by total case numbers as log-log, removing the less-relevant time element. I plotted this for NZ to track our "flattening the curve" progress as lockdown proceeds.
We have just hit 589 cases (1 death) and are told that over 1700 tests are performed daily.

 

[davidtm]

Had to get out of the house:

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