Access to Tesla supercharger network

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electriceddy said:
The dealer just got one in, so I purchased it. Here is the part#
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The adapter lists @ $400 CDN, but I did mange to get $75 discount in lieu of the mudflap mishap I mentioned earlier.
It is new so not yet listed as an available accessory and may not be available at all locations ...yet.
Also note the box description: CCS1 CAR to NACS... kind of backwards as the NACS to CCS1 adapter (being the normal description), in Hyundai language is the adapter for the Ioniq 9 - box description NACS CAR to CCS1... so be careful if ordering.
The adapter has accredited certification CSA c and us, weighs 1.16 kg and is a solid built unit with locks on both NACS and CCS1 sides.
I will test it later when I have some time at the local Supercharger site (obviously before 10 am or after 9 pm)

I see the one in Port Alberni is an NACS partner site with no time pricing tiers ($o.47 kWh) which will be handy when going to Tofino.;)
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Weren't we supposed to be hearing something from Hyundai Canada about the Tesla charging and adapter program sometime "soon"? I've seen nothing. Also, even though they are stocking adapters, doesn't the Canadian Tesla charging network need to be officially "announced" before it actually works?
 
Wildeyed said:
Weren't we supposed to be hearing something from Hyundai Canada about the Tesla charging and adapter program sometime "soon"? I've seen nothing. Also, even though they are stocking adapters, doesn't the Canadian Tesla charging network need to be officially "announced" before it actually works?
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Hyundai is listed:)
Not all sites, just the ones without the lightning bolt as listed in the Telsa app.
This one will work:
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This one is exclusive to Tesla only:
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This is good news, but not the C$400 price tag. I will talk to my dealer about availability, but surely other, cheaper options are available.
 
JohnDD said:
I bought this Lectron for $227.80 and it works great. Used it many times on our trip from Ottawa to Manitoba and back in summer.https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2948/6296/files/Digital_UM_LEADPTeslaCCSBLKUS.pdf?v=1726814942
That was on our newly acquired 2024 Kia EV6, but it also worked on our earlier Kona EV 2021.
Max charging on EV6 and Tesla is only 97KW due to the 400V Tesla chargers instead of the 800V which EV6 can use.
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I know Lectron is a good brand but do you worry about voiding warranties if anything should go wrong?
 
Wildeyed said:
I know Lectron is a good brand but do you worry about voiding warranties if anything should go wrong?
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Not really.
I've been lucky, I guess. Since 2018 I've had a 2016 Soul (traction battery replaced under warranty), a 2021 Kona and now 2024 Kia EV6. Only real issues I've had was replacing the 12V batteries. Charge to 100% at home on Level 2 and 80% on Level 3 when on long trips. My son has successfully used a Tesla destination charger using the appropriate adapter on his EV6.
 
JohnDD said:
I bought this Lectron for $227.80 and it works great. Used it many times on our trip from Ottawa to Manitoba and back in summer.https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2948/6296/files/Digital_UM_LEADPTeslaCCSBLKUS.pdf?v=1726814942
That was on our newly acquired 2024 Kia EV6, but it also worked on our earlier Kona EV 2021.
Max charging on EV6 and Tesla is only 97KW due to the 400V Tesla chargers instead of the 800V which EV6 can use.
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Thanks. Hmmm... much better price. Lectron converter plug on Amazon Canada
Prime Day deal on Lectron Vortex Plus C$215
https://www.amazon.ca/Lectron-Elect...refix=ccs+to+acs+adapters,aps,128&sr=8-1&th=1
 
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Wildeyed said:
I know Lectron is a good brand but do you worry about voiding warranties if anything should go wrong?
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Partly the reason I purchased the OEM Hyundai...see Tesla terms of use charging policies:
"Third-Party Adapter Policy
To avoid risk of serious injury and property damage, users of Tesla charging stations may only use adapters sold or provided by Tesla or by other automakers in the United States. Tesla prohibits the use any other device that plugs in between a vehicle and the charging cable such as third-party adapters, extension cords, and breakaway devices. Many prohibited devices that are advertised by third parties as compatible with Tesla charging equipment are dangerous and therefore remain prohibited, even if sold under such advertising."
Note the wording...provided by other automakers. I would hate to be on the hook for repairs to the charger and or the EV, could be expensive.
The other reason I chose is the CSA certification label right on the unit itself.;)
 
electriceddy said:
Partly the reason I purchased the OEM Hyundai...see Tesla terms of use charging policies:
"Third-Party Adapter Policy
To avoid risk of serious injury and property damage, users of Tesla charging stations may only use adapters sold or provided by Tesla or by other automakers in the United States. Tesla prohibits the use any other device that plugs in between a vehicle and the charging cable such as third-party adapters, extension cords, and breakaway devices. Many prohibited devices that are advertised by third parties as compatible with Tesla charging equipment are dangerous and therefore remain prohibited, even if sold under such advertising."
Note the wording...provided by other automakers. I would hate to be on the hook for repairs to the charger and or the EV, could be expensive.
The other reason I chose is the CSA certification label right on the unit itself.;)
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I get your point. However everybody chases $$$. I recall not too long ago Bell scared customers with similar policy who did not use Bell phones - preferably black with rotary dials . Tesla could offer certifying third party adapters, for a fee obviously. Parallel or alternatively third party manufacturers could get their adapters CSA/UL certified. If there have been problems with these adapters, it would be surely in the news. That could be very costly to the manufacturer. Someone, likely in the US, would take them to the courts for millions.
It is not an issue for me because our vacation routes are covered by CCS chargers, otherwise I always charge at home.
 
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Lars said:
chargers
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I can edit the above post if you wish, in reference to the word "chargers"
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certifying third party chargers
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Lars said:
manufacturers could get their chargers CSA/UL certified.
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Lars said:
If there have been problems with these chargers,
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Let me know and I will replace with "adapters".;)

I agree the certification increases the cost of the adapter.
Which in part I assume is why Tesla worded the policy "automakers" assuming the adapter has been responsibly and thoroughly tested by the auto manufacture to not cause any damage to the it's vehicle charge port/electronics (ie temperature sensing) including the supercharger components as well, part due to the certification process.
If there ever is an issue with an auto manufactured adapter, Tesla could (again I assume) through their contractual agreements deny that manufacture from accessing the network, something that they would have little control of with third party manufactured ones.

If those third party manufactures get the ULC/ certification label, the cost will increase accordingly. It would be up to them to pay Tesla (thru their own contractual agreement) to have access to the network. The cost I could see as being much higher for the certification than one auto manufacture as accredited documentation would have to be provided to demonstrate/prove that their adapters can be used safely with "many" EVs including different voltages and charging rates before Tesla re-writes it's policy.
 
electriceddy said:
I can edit the above post if you wish, in reference to the word "chargers"



Let me know and I will replace with "adapters".;)

I agree the certification increases the cost of the adapter.
Which in part I assume is why Tesla worded the policy "automakers" assuming the adapter has been responsibly and thoroughly tested by the auto manufacture to not cause any damage to the it's vehicle charge port/electronics (ie temperature sensing) including the supercharger components as well, part due to the certification process.
If there ever is an issue with an auto manufactured adapter, Tesla could (again I assume) through their contractual agreements deny that manufacture from accessing the network, something that they would have little control of with third party manufactured ones.

If those third party manufactures get the ULC/ certification label, the cost will increase accordingly. It would be up to them to pay Tesla (thru their own contractual agreement) to have access to the network. The cost I could see as being much higher for the certification than one auto manufacture as accredited documentation would have to be provided to demonstrate/prove that their adapters can be used safely with "many" EVs including different voltages and charging rates before Tesla re-writes it's policy.
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Thanks, pls edit my comments.
Lars
 
JoeS said:
Supercharging success using Hyundai's adapter! Using the Tesla app procedure identified in Post #78, it worked like a charm. I only charged for a few minutes but forgot to note the particulars (nothing was unusual).
Adapter is nice (but so was the Lectron and A2Z).
Kona long-distance travel will now be painless, except for the worry that too many non-Teslas will start hogging the charging stations :-)
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Hi how do I find Post #78? I used the adapter today successfully on my 2019 Kona, pulling 40 kw. Initially it failed. After checking my profile in the app I realized I didn't have the adapter box ticked off since I installed the app before getting the adapter. Once I fixed that it worked perfectly.
 
JoeS said:
SUCCESS!
Upon reading the above, I ran down to two local Superchargers, a V3 and a V4. Both worked with my 2020 Kona Electric Ultimate and A2Z adapter using the Tesla App!! With the V3, need to scoot the car over to the right so the front edge is close to the parking spot dividing line, but the station itself was in front of the car and the cable reached with no problem.

The Tesla app is easy to use:
0. I double-click the key fob UNLOCK button and open the Kona charge port and remove the connector socket covers.
1. Open Tesla App
2. Tap on the three horizontal lines ("hamburger") upper right of the screen
3. Scroll down to Charge Your Other EV
4. Map pops up and the phone's GPS locates you at the charging station site
5. Select the station number that you're parked at
6. Tap on Start Charging and the app tells you to take the Tesla plug and stick it into the adapter and then take this adapter+cable and stick it into the car charging port. I double-clicked the key fob UNLOCK button for good measure before sticking the plug into the car, but probably don't need to do this.
7. The app then says something about initializing charging and that it might take up to a minute to start charging but the car connected within seconds and the app then shows the charging progress with the car's SOC, charging cost accumulated, and charging rate in kW. After the session, the charging session screen shows the location, date and time, and charging details such as duration, the charging fees, the energy delivered in kWh to the fourth decimal place, and the option to go to the Charging History which then also shows the same information plus the cost per kWh and the option to get an invoice.

At the V3 station, starting with 43% SoC the car drew 53kW whereas at the V4 station at 59% it was drawing 54kW.

I normally don't charge any higher as for all my local driving I keep the car at around 50%SoC, so I didn't get to see how much it tapers off at higher SoC.

Delighted to now have this charging option available and working.
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Which Tesla App? There are several "Tesla Apps" in the App Store. None I tried offered to set it up for non-Telsa cars.
 
Lars said:
Which Tesla App? There are several "Tesla Apps" in the App Store. None I tried offered to set it up for non-Telsa cars.
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App here:
Canadian support here:
Map here:
Click "find us" in the maps to find the supercharger you want to try, it will tell you the cheapest times to charge etc. Keep in mind my post #122

I suggest you read through the support section carefully before downloading the app;)
 
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The Hyundai adapter works well with the supercharger.:)
Temperature was colder than normal so I tried the pre-heat manually option and that worked as well, but only had it on for ~ 5 minutes so likely didn't make any difference for the charge rate. BTW the pre-heat option (battery care on the energy consumption menu) showed 5-5.4 kW, so quite a draw.
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Charging facing the rear of the pedestal. Because of the short cords, I tried not to take up 2 spots by driving up to the pedestal aligning the steering wheel with the cord attachment point and parking between the lines :
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Then I realized I was taking up 2 spots, ( the 1 on my side and one blocked from the other side ). Good I was there early to experiment- no other EVs charging:oops:
So this is a better way, no blocking other spots, and the proper way for a Kona EV. Just pick the right side pedestal ( facing the front or back ) and straddle the parking lines away from the pedestals:
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Much better, EV can still reach the 2nd pedestal form the other side;)
Tesla makes some good chargers, easy to use and well designed also shows the rates and speed on your phone and can stop the charge with the app or car ( max level menu). I have been driving by this one for years now, sure glad at the opportunity to actually use it. The adapter now lives in my frunk along with destination charger a/c adapter and V2L adapter.
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