Worldwide recall according to this 11 Oct news item.

Discussion in 'Hyundai Kona Electric' started by KiwiME, Oct 11, 2020.

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  1. navguy12

    navguy12 Well-Known Member

    Agreed.
     
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  3. GPM432

    GPM432 Active Member

    Clamps don't get to worried remember this is a forum and a lot Of what I'm reading is all hear say and conjecture. Just enjoy the feed back and wait for the end result of all of this. Never had any problems with my Kona yet....No range lost yet.. I'm happy
     
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  4. ericy

    ericy Well-Known Member

    I found another article - this one written in English by a human and not translated by a computer. It re-iterates what was noted earlier - a discussion that the relatively small buffer on the Kona may be a contributing factor, but a cleaner translation makes it far clearer what was meant.

    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/tech/2020/10/129_297453.html

    If you google this professor, he has worked on batteries for quite a while - he had a bit to say about the Samsung Note 7 that had issues of catching fire.

    I am still looking for the actual report - I believe this professor is one of the authors.

     
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  5. ericy

    ericy Well-Known Member

    And here is an image from the Korean press - you don't have to read Korean to get the implication. This can't make Hyundai happy.

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  6. Genevamech

    Genevamech Active Member

    I believe the appropriate reaction to an image like that is "oof"
     
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  8. I'm having a hard time punching the keys...laughing so hard:D
    Nice post!
     
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  9. I wonder why they used a Leaf for the header picture, otherwise a good report.
     
  10. Here's the list of events at the right column, as best as I can determine using google translate and reformated in a text editor. The latest event is not included.

    2018
    May 19
    ① Hyundai Motors Ulsan Plant 1
    ② Production Line

    August 16
    ① Hyundai Motors Ulsan Plant 1
    ② Production Line

    2019
    July 26
    ① Montreal, Canada
    ② Garage (uncharged)

    July 28
    ① Gangneung, Gangwon-do
    ② Parking (charging)

    August 9
    ① Bucheon, Gyeonggi-do
    ② Parking (not charging)

    August 13
    ① Sejong Special Autonomy
    ② Parking (charging)

    September 17
    ① Austria Leonstein
    ② Driving

    2020
    April 2
    ① Gyeonggi Ansan
    ② Parking (after full charge)

    May 29
    ① Buk-gu, Daegu City
    ② Parking (after full charge)

    August 7
    ① Parking in Buk-gu, Daegu City (charging)

    August 24
    ① Jeongeup, Jeonbuk
    ② Parking (after full charge)

    September 26
    ① Jeju Island
    ② Parking (charging)

    October 4
    ① Dalseong-gun, Daegu
    ② No information
     
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  11. Recoil45

    Recoil45 Active Member

    I believe the part that is missing is the new BMS will detect cell to cell variation DURING charging. In that case the BMS will take action during the charge phase to prevent cell damage. I don’t see the BMS being able to detect previous cell damage, but maybe...


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  13. Genevamech

    Genevamech Active Member

    I could be wrong but I'd expect that the primary purpose of a BMS is to monitor the cell voltage during charging, specifically to ensure that cells are not overcharged... I mean, if you're not monitoring things while they're changing there doesn't seem much point in monitoring anything at all.
     
  14. I think that BMS is always monitoring the cell. When braking, some energy is transferred to the cell and when accelerating some energy is taken from them.
     
  15. I doubt any cell balancing occurs under highly-dynamic charge or discharge situations, or even at any time other than at the end of a full charge event.

    More practically and from appearances, when charging reaches about an indicated 98.5%, charging current is paused and passive balancing proceeds which dissipates charge from cell parallel groups with higher voltages than the others into local resistors. Alternatively, some current can be shunted past those groups with higher voltages while the others catch up.

    Once all cell group measure voltage within an allowed tolerance, then the SoC increments directly to 100% and charging is effectively done. Some of us have seen this SoC jump suddenly when cells are already well-balanced.

    The schematics show (5) CMS (assuming 'cell management unit') that individually handle two each of the total (10) packs and are located nearby. The CMS units appear to be centrally managed by the BMU (presumably 'battery management unit'). It's not totally clear but I suspect that 'BMS' refers to all those parts as a system.

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    https://www.mpoweruk.com/balancing.htm
     
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  16. My dealer said that the BMS update from May is the same recall. Anyone else getting this message from their dealers? They say the May update addresses it. Based on the fact that I show a recall on my VIN on the Hyundai Canada site, I'm not believing my dealer.
     
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  17. d-b

    d-b New Member

    Called my dealer today and they said that it's a different recall, and to wait for the Hyundai letter before coming in for service. It was interesting that their internal system doesn't show a recall on my VIN, but the Hyundai Canada site does.
     
  18. I just got a phone call from the NZ importer, on a Saturday no less. The rep said they are all working on the weekend to inform affected owners, I suspect at least 800 in NZ.
    Also got a Dear John letter as a follow-up:
     
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  19. That is very professional of Hyundai to send you this, I hope it all works out for you.:)
     
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  20. They advise unplugging but they don't caution against parking in a garage? Seems odd.
     
  21. mikeselectricstuff

    mikeselectricstuff Active Member

    Does seem a bit clueless - there is no point at all in unplugging after charging as the EVSE will have disconnected the mains supply. the only time this would make any sense is if there was a fault with the AC onboard charger, and als the charge control system telling the EVSE to turn on the supply when it shouldn't.
     
  22. Ya, it doesn't make any sense to me at all. I understand that there's a recall because of some fires but I also understand that neither Hyundai or LG knows the cause. So why do so many people on forums like this claim to have solutions? Plug, unplug, charge to 80%, charge to, 60%... It's all hogwash. The only sensible precaution I can see is to protect property from a potential fire hazard. Anything beyond that is just hocus-pocus at this point.
     
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  23. ericy

    ericy Well-Known Member

    They might not know the cause, but I think there is no doubt that these are battery fires. And it seems that most if not all of the fires took place while charging.
     
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