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I had been a little resentful about the glowing reviews of newer EVs compared to my 2019 Model 3 Std Reg Plus. But I also remember the early Macintosh that were ‘lapped’ by subsequent Apple Macs. It was easy to forget the years of pleasant Mac computing on the now out of production Mac.

I still like the 25 kWh / 100 mi efficiency that is only beat by newer Model 3s. I also smirk at their lack of non-Tesla EVs outside of China. As for EV cost, remember Bob Lutz saying they will add extra to their pickup price.

So I smile at paying $60 last week on Supercharger fees passing truck stops with $6/gal diesel. I lament the reviews selling their Tesla as I think it is about 1-2 years too soon until the new companies prove their business will be around. But you pays your money and takes your chances.

GOOD LUCK!
Bob Wilson

 

Hi Domenick,

I think a good topic for the Podcast one week would be the general lack of availability of EVs. You could discuss the wait times for various models, and how the shortage affects development of new EVs. For example, in basically ALL automakers can't make them fast enough, there really is no incentive at all right now to develop more affordable EVs. Are there any EVs under $70,000 that someone can easily purchase right now? There seems to be a wait for just about every model. It's not a lot better on the gas side, but there are some ICE models that are on lots. Just a thought. Thanks.

 

Hello Dom. I enjoyed the format today of getting the news out of the way first then having the informal chatting afterwards. Are you going to do it that way moving forward?

I love that Hylorean concept.

 

Kind of hard to watch future models and concepts, when we have to wait a year+ for a current model, ie Ioniq 5. At least that is the case in Canada. Had some hopes of getting my Solterra later this fall, but those have been dashed, too, by the Toyota wheel lug issue. And the prices just keep going up and up...

 

I am sympathetic to the problem of today's EV customers. But 'supply and demand' along with bidding up battery supplies by late-comer EV makers has fueled both the cost and limited supply. Other than a 'weak', fast DC charging EV, there are not many attractive alternatives. However, there may be some relief in used EVs.

Some buying new EVs may be trading in their earlier ones. So online Tesla lists and sells used cars. BMW has abandoned the BMW i3 including the Range Extender models which have a lot of utility. But I have a hard time recommending any EV whose fast DC charging rate is under 75 kW. They may meet an urban use case but cross country would be painful.

Your reviewers have or are selling their previous EVs which worked fine when bought. Perhaps summary of their previous EVs and sources might help those looking for an affordable EV?

Bob Wilson

 

Well, crazy as it may sound, but used EVs (good ones) are more expensive than new ones here now. As an example a Kona EV, like the one I sold a few months ago, is listed at $66K on autotrader here in Langley where I live. And an Ioniq 5 was briefly listed for $89K in Abbotsford (also just 20 min from where I live), and assume it sold for that.
https://www.autotrader.ca/a/hyundai/kona%20electric/langley/british%20columbia/5_55541133_20180918193341319/?showcpo=ShowCpo&ncse=no&ursrc=hl&orup=2_5_5&sprx=50
I sold mine for 47K and thought I made off like a bandit. But the used car dealer I sold it to, sold it again for $49K 3 days later. Now the price has gone up even further. Of course you can get lesser EVs (eg, Bolts, Leafs, I3s) for a lot less, but not the Hyundais. Even some used Tesla M3s are cheaper.

The problem is that you can't buy a new Hyundai (or Kia) EV. The wait list is so long, they aren't even taking pre-orders anymore. So any used ones (and there aren't many) are being sold for crazy prices.

I don't know when this will end, but doesn't look like anytime soon. What gets me too, is that I see Hyundai advertising their I5 on TV. WHY?...

Best thing I can hope for is for more higher interest rate hikes and a severe recession to cool the buying. Really need to get this inflation under control...

 

Hi @Domenick , I hope you guys are going to discuss today the seeming progress on the new climate legislation and how that will affect EV tax credits. The removal of the 200,000 vehicle limit will have an effect on many people buying EVs.

 

Good afternoon Domenick,

I was listening to this morning’s episode and I was really curious when Tom was going to post his F-150 Lightning standard battery range test. Did he say when that was going to go up? I am hoping he didn’t have to re-conduct the test after the charging issue.


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Looking forward to discussion tomorrow on how difficult it is now to plan an EV purchase. Now that things are shaking out, it seems like very few EVs will qualify for the new tax credit for years to come. There are so many things up in the air now, and so many complications. I think one of the most interesting situations is where people have been waiting for delivery of cars like a Hyundai Ioniq 5, Kia EV6 and others will NOT qualify unless they get them in this year (supposedly). I wonder what year-end will be like for Hyundai and Kia in this case? Also interesting are the Ford F150 Lightning price hikes.

 

And in example of how confusing things are, in doing more reading, I now think that the Ioniq 5 and EV6 not getting a rebate starts now, unless you had a signed purchase agreement (which I don't think really exist on those cars before taking delivery)?

I follow this and I'm totally confused. What will happen with the general public?

 

The House still needs to pass this without chopping it up then when the President signs the bill the Transportation Secretary will need to still include guidelines to help the public make sense of things. (Good luck with that)