Are hydrogen tanks superior to batteries?

Umm isn't that what Tesla did with the free supercharger network ?

 

and your purpose seams to lay down the law and tell people what they r thinking, well done
to the self appointed EV police.

 

That would be true if they where not expanding their manufacturing, they have huge waiting list so they are expanding, I think any right minded business would do the same. I don't think they loose money selling a car like the big3 said they do.
Next u will be on the Tesla going broke old wagon

 

Well Tesla built the Supercharger network and the fuel cell vendors did not build the hydrogen stations. BTW, Model 3 owners pay a fee.

A lot of tax dollars paid for those hydrogen stations.

Bob Wilson

 

I found this in the energy segment called cheep hydrogen energy
https://www.insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?threads/cheap-hydrogen-energy.687/

The bolt on to existing cars looks real and could be a great stop gap, and a great use for hydrogen

Its the next 2 that really interest me ,r they vapour ware or is it possible , hydrogen car running from its own production and storing in a liquid form with no big compression, they say they have a prototype and its a big *** ute as well.
Is it realistic or just like my favourite dream car the redox battery Nanoflow car Santa fee ?

 

To true however they still made a lot of cars in the first 3 months, just a little from their report

Q1 production totaled 34,494 vehicles, a 40% increase from Q4 and by far the most productive quarter in Tesla history. 24,728 were Model S and Model X, and 9,766 were Model 3.

so 34000 same production rest of the year is 138000 cars and they did 98000 last year that's 40% increase over last year and they r still ramping up the 3, Yes elon has great announcements but the number they r really doing are impressive as well.

 

Why not, pray tell?

 

Huh? You have supporting evidence for such claims?

Here is just a small sample of how much tax dollars are spent just by California air resource board. Add the global tax dollars spent by other US states, Norway, EU. UK and others in promoting the still lame battery powered cars. Also add the money spent by states and others to support companies set up free workplace electric car charging stations. Also add the $7500 federal tax credit. All these quickly add up t a huge tally for the battery cars. If you want to make such claims, please add all these up for fuel cell and electric cars, and we can look at the total spent so far. Thank you.

Then compare the progress it has made vs. Hydrogen cars with much less tax dollar spending.

 

Trying very hard, eh? Try doing some research first. Because with these blatant lies, instead of the fuel cell, you are looking like the fool.
AC Transit Fuel Cell Bus Exceeds 20,000 Hours of Service
http://www.masstransitmag.com/press_release/12100560/ac-transit-fuel-cell-bus-exceeds-20000-hours-of-service

PS: I didn't have time to read your long post. But that line stuck out. Else, I will be refuting every sentence possibly.

 

This whole thread is getting pretty amusing. Only time will tell which technology dominates in the end. There is certainly room for both given each has its advantages. We are talking electric motors regardless. It's just what technology is used to store the energy. For passenger cars, my money is definitely on battery. The main advantage of fuel cells is the quick fill. Given that most trips in most cars are well under 100 miles, quick fill isn't as important as one might think, at least if you have easy access to overnight charging. In the end, there could easily be a hybrid technology combining fuel cell and battery. This would make more sense than today's hybrid's since you wouldn't need to dual engine/motor technology.

The big argument here seems to be which technology has more room to improve. Nobody here really knows. Either way, we get away from ICE. And either way, our environment will get cleaner as renewable energy sources improve as well.

 

Google reports in 2013 Jerry Brown signed laws to pay for hydrogen fuel stations:
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2018/01/26/governor-brown-takes-action-to-increase-zero-emission-vehicles-fund-new-climate-investments/

Today’s action builds on past efforts to boost zero-emission vehicles, including: legislation signed last year and in 2014 and 2013; adopting the 2016 Zero-Emission Vehicle Plan and the Advanced Clean Carsprogram; hosting a Zero-Emission Vehicle Summit; launching a multi-state ZEV Action Plan; co-founding the International ZEV Alliance; and issuing Executive Order B-16-12 in 2012 to help bring 1.5 million zero-emission vehicles to California by 2025.​

Also: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/comes-first-hydrogen-powered-cars-fueling-stations

• SCOTT SHAFER:
  So, in 2013, Governor Jerry Brown signed a new law that provides $20 million a year to build at least 100 hydrogen refueling stations in California by 2024. Nineteen new stations are already in development.
  
• CATHERINE DUNWOODY:
  The state funding helps offset the risk to these small and medium-sized businesses to make this investment, to move forward with hydrogen fuel technology.

Sounds like we'll have to agree to disagree about tax money used to build these hydrogen fuel stations.

Bob Wilson

 

For me, enlightening about fuel cell advocates and their strange assertions. But some patterns emerge:

• Not finding owners - the FCV advocates are by-standers with no skin in the game.
• Using 'future' predictions - even though FCV vehicles and hydrogen stations exist, current facts and data are not used.
• Outdated claims about BEV and plug-in hybrids - in spite of their existence, operation, and sales, there is excessive reliance on failed predictions from a decade ago.

We saw similar patterns with the Prius. The skeptics were 'hammer and tongs' opposed and then I bought a used one and before I got it home, already punctured false claims. Now that BEV and plug-in hybrids are here, two in my hands, we're seeing similar false narratives.

I join forums to share tricks and techniques to maximize return on investment. So sometimes, you just have to 'turn up the squelch' to filter out the noise.

Bob Wilson