2023 Cooper SE Included EVSE - "Flexcharger"

Well, it’s in the NEC and CEC, so technically yes — unless you hard-wire an EVSE that normally comes with a plug, like the Grizzl-E and others. That said, local codes tend not to specify it yet, and my electrician — while admitting he was aware that it was indeed in the national codes — said it was the first time he’d installed a 50A GFCI for an EVSE.

 

That bad boy right there (I had the cover off yesterday to install a 30 Amp breaker right below it for a new air compressor that’s arriving this week or next).

 

My personal opinion is it's wise to adhere to the local electrical codes, because if there happens to be a fire caused by an EV the insurance companies will for sure deny any claim if not up to code. My state is all-in on the latest NEC, so it's GFCI for every external outlet. I ended up hardwiring my Grizzl-E but also put in a NEMA 14-50 outlet for a second EVSE.

 

my electrician was much the same

exsctly it’s called not having headaches

 

And before anybody says anything about the EVSE’s GFI tripping the breaker’s GFI, that has not happened. The Grizzl-E doesn’t leak to ground significantly enough to cause it.

 

Does the charger have a gfi on it ? I think that was the complaints

 

Yup. It’s a solid design, and it is beneficial for all those receptacles installed before NEC 2017 began to be applied (or where electricians deem it unnecessary for whatever reason). Like I said, I purposely overbuilt my charging system, and it works. No trips.

 

I ran the 6/3 wire from the start when I had my garage wall open last summer. One section in the garage and one section towards the front of the house. Figured it was a good time “just in case” My electrician who’s also a family friend was saying “that’s over kill” I’m like “so is opening the wall again lol”. I just need to pop the breaker in. Also nice that my panel is in the garage.

I’ll order the breaker this week.

 

Exactly. It’s the good kind of overkill.

 

Bending 6-gauge cable is good exercise, too.

 

Ugh yes. I was going to wire the receptacle’s device box, and just leave the installation of the breaker to the electrician. I struggled so much that I thought I might damage something, either the insulation on the individual wires, or the box, so I left that for him as well. In the end, he made such quick work of it that I doubt my “help“ would have reduced the invoice by much.

 

It appears that if I could find a NEMA 14-30 cable designed for the BMW charger, it would charge at a speed of 24A. Does anyone have a link to where I could purchase one?

 

For what it's worth just buy another EVSE (if you are dead set on 24A x 240V) and then you can keep one in your boot.

At 24A you will need some batteries for your off-grid solar PV setup in case there is cloud coverage. You must have a 12kW+ array or something!?

 

Yes, I have about 15kW in batteries. The array is only 3.2kW, but I live in Florida and we get a lot of sunshine. I just want to maximize my charging capability in case I need to go on a long drive with short notice. Normally, I will just use level 1 charging using a smaller Victron Phoenix 1200 inverter because it is so efficient.

 

I can also report that my Wallbox Pulsar Plus and also my Tesla mobile connector have never tripped the GFCI breaker.

 

Here's the BMW page with that 14-30 adapter, part #61 90 5 A13 A60. They don't list the price, so if your BMW dealer can get one for you it will probably cost more than a complete non-BMW, Level 2, 24-Amp charging cable.

 

I just got an email from Grizzl-E, factory refurb Classics are now available for $343. It can be set (via internal dip switches) to 24A maximum.

 

Link me!

 

It's 343USD.

 

My cc has no fx fee it should work out a little cheaper