EV Range highs and lows

Dan Pasch said:
its normally not that bad, usually june/july its 25-30 but weve been getting some pretty hot weather the past few days it was 27 today so i was quite happy with the 17 tonight
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27/17 sounda like November in Florida.. that's perfect weather for me.. Florida is great from October to May, but June to September is very hot, humid and rainy.. I wish I could live in a cooler place during the summer months..
 
So after peaking at 503 my GOM has settled back to 493km average estimated range. Kind of a bummer that it can't break the (admittedly meaningless) psychological barrier of 500km. I believe it's because the GOM is calculating range taking into account my constant use of AC. It's been hot in Ontario lately. I probably will need to wait until the fall before I see 500+ range again.
 
Yup, similar to yours, mine has gone down a bit lately. I think A/C and maybe a bit more hwy driving did it. Way better than 415, though...
 
The most ive gotten is 458 but i drive it like my other vehicles except i dont use the climate.
I think my numbers are not getting higher cuz i mostly do highway driving.
 
XtsKonaTrooper said:
The most ive gotten is 458 but i drive it like my other vehicles except i dont use the climate.
I think my numbers are not getting higher cuz i mostly do highway driving.
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Yes, I've resigned myself to never getting the super-high 550+ numbers some are reporting. I just don't do much city driving which contributes in a big way to their efficiency. I'm 95% highway 90kmph to 110 with heat/ AC almost all the time.
 
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Im pretty well the same 80-115 km and then as Bjorn would say, hammering it sometimes to pass packs of cars, to get my own space.
I did a run last week in Sports mode only and it seems to regen similar to the Ioniq, whereas what i was loosing in sport mode compared to eco, was made up by the regen.
But generally, i am usually in eco mode.
 
Range and cabin heat in an eastern Canadian winter
Any info would be appreciated as I am considering buying a Kona EV for life in Quebec! This would be our households ONLY vehicle.
At these temperatures below:
Is the cabin heat adequate in winter for a middle aged person with a tendency for cold feet?
And how much range is lost in winter with full winter tires and cabin heat on?
at -5 C.
at -10
at -15
at -20
at -25
As a skier, could I possibly get from Montreal to Le Massif in Charlevoix - about 360 km - at 100 kph mostly flattish freeway at -10 C, outside average temp, with winter tires and cabin heat on? Or am I dreaming? Presumably a top up would be required somewhere before Quebec City...
How much do snowy roads, uphill climbs and wind affect winter range?
Some comments on the web indicate anywhere from 25 to 50 percent range loss in a Canadian winter depending on conditions.

Mattsburgh said:
A lot of people have been discussing EV Range, I was thinking it might be nice to see what others get for estimates when fully charged. My goal is 300 miles / 482 km, and driving pretty conservatively, I've managed to get to 297 miles on a full charge.

My current driving score is 98% economical and 2% normal. I live in a fairly hilly area, and the temps have been very moderate, between 40-70. I think the hills hurt a bit, obviously you can regen coming down the other side but I think it uses more power to get up the hill than you ever get back, so generally flat driving would likely be better, but I'm just guessing.

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powderman said:
Range and cabin heat in an eastern Canadian winter
Any info would be appreciated as I am considering buying a Kona EV for life in Quebec! This would be our households ONLY vehicle.
At these temperatures below:
Is the cabin heat adequate in winter for a middle aged person with a tendency for cold feet?
And how much range is lost in winter with full winter tires and cabin heat on?
at -5 C.
at -10
at -15
at -20
at -25
As a skier, could I possibly get from Montreal to Le Massif in Charlevoix - about 360 km - at 100 kph mostly flattish freeway at -10 C, outside average temp, with winter tires and cabin heat on? Or am I dreaming? Presumably a top up would be required somewhere before Quebec City...
How much do snowy roads, uphill climbs and wind affect winter range?
Some comments on the web indicate anywhere from 25 to 50 percent range loss in a Canadian winter depending on conditions.
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Can only vouch for the -5 C, the heat pump keeps the cabin warm with no real noticeable range loss. The car came charged at 100% and showed 436 km on the gauge. Since the warmer weather occurred the range has increased to over 500 km (according to the car).
In colder weather losses due to resistive cabin heat would increase range loss. And then there is the winter tire losses , battery pack heat , cold temp etc- my guess would be 35% .
Maybe someone from Ontario or Quebec could chime in and give more accurate results. I think the 360 km might be a bit tough
 
Since my 358.8 mile record, I drove the car normally and charged mostly to 80% instead of full. Driving normally with tons of AC use, I'm still averaging 4.6 to 4.7 miles/kwh. That means about 300 miles or range. In winter, it will likely be 10 to 15 percent better as I won't need AC and neither heater.
 
After a high of 503km my GOM range keeps creeping lower. 493 to 490 and now 488. A bit discouraging (though I know it's really not significant). I'm intrigued to see if, once fall comes, I'll bounce back to my May/June highs when I can drive again without climate.
 
Wildeyed said:
After a high of 503km my GOM range keeps creeping lower. 493 to 490 and now 488. A bit discouraging (though I know it's really not significant). I'm intrigued to see if, once fall comes, I'll bounce back to my May/June highs when I can drive again without climate.
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The happy times of mild weather will shortly end here on the Island. To keep things in perspective, today I met the owner of an older Leaf trying to get a full load of electrons to make the journey to the next station, about 110 km distant. It drove home to me that range is not much of an issue once you get up into the 400 km area (except in cold climates with few fast chargers, like the Prairies) but very much of an issue below that.
 
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I agree. I know that the 500 km threshold is pretty much exactly the same (practically speaking) as 488 so I'm only expressing a bit of melancholy at the slippage not alarm. That being said, if it turns out to be a slow slide downward in ACTUAL range, I will quickly become alarmed. Here's hoping I will bounce upward again if only to reassure myself that I'm not witnessing actual capacity loss.
 
Wildeyed said:
After a high of 503km my GOM range keeps creeping lower. 493 to 490 and now 488. A bit discouraging (though I know it's really not significant). I'm intrigued to see if, once fall comes, I'll bounce back to my May/June highs when I can drive again without climate.
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What climate are we talking, A/C I hope, should be a small increase in consumption . 503 to 488 is not bad.
 
electriceddy said:
What climate are we talking, A/C I hope, should be a small increase in consumption . 503 to 488 is not bad.
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Yes. It's AC. The projected range loss when I use it is about 30km off the total projected range. The GOM range is the one that has been ticking downward, undoubtedly because it's noting my continual AC use and is incorporating it into its guesswork. Once I can turn that off in cooler weather I'm hoping the GOM will rethink its math.
 
Prolly a combination of ac usage and overnight temps going down. My GOM didnt get max till overnight temps went past 20c.
Wildeyed said:
Yes. It's AC. The projected range loss when I use it is about 30km off the total projected range. The GOM range is the one that has been ticking downward, undoubtedly because it's noting my continual AC use and is incorporating it into its guesswork. Once I can turn that off in cooler weather I'm hoping the GOM will rethink its math.
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electriceddy said:
Can only vouch for the -5 C, the heat pump keeps the cabin warm with no real noticeable range loss. The car came charged at 100% and showed 436 km on the gauge. Since the warmer weather occurred the range has increased to over 500 km (according to the car).
In colder weather losses due to resistive cabin heat would increase range loss. And then there is the winter tire losses , battery pack heat , cold temp etc- my guess would be 35% .
Maybe someone from Ontario or Quebec could chime in and give more accurate results. I think the 360 km might be a bit tough
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My range in winter, minus 35°C ,was high 300s with heat and winter tires.
 
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