Munro says Tesla Model 3 is profitable

MTN Ranger said:
Here are some views from a distance:
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Wow, Mtn Ranger, I think Bob, and PuPu are calling BS on your story? That is pretty unbelievable that they are both so pig headed not to be able to clearly tell you are being straight, and they wonder why so many people cannot stand Tesla Cultists... Their little Tesla could never do anything wrong, or build an out of spec car. In your picture I can see the same panel gap, and headlight gap, so believe it is the same car... as posted in the closeups...

Hey Bob, did you load up the 401K yet? I will help you track your earnings... haha! I see they hired a new accountant today, maybe he can spin the numbers to engineer a profit...
 
MTN Ranger said:
Here are some views from a distance:
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Certainly looks okay from that distance. Seems odd that there doesn't appear to be a gap between the fascia and... what's the proper term? The fender body panel? ...doesn't appear to be a gap between the fascia and the fender body panel, as it appears in the photos in post #25.

David Green said:
Wow, Mtn Ranger, I think Bob, and PuPu are calling BS on your story?
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And now this disinformation-monger is trying to use the "Let's you and him fight" strategy, to generate disagreement here.

I've been asked by the moderator not to call anyone a troll, but let's just say that someone here -- not naming names -- shows a strong resemblance to a certain mythical creature which traditionally lives under a bridge.
 
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I'm pretty sure nobody thinks I'm making this up. I can take more photos to include my customized aero caps to prove it's the same car, but I don't think that is necessary.

I think the zoomed in original headlight photos exaggerated the panel gap between the fender and bumper. But the car was not in an accident. The right headlight is sticking out a little bit and I'm fine with it as purely cosmetic. Most people probably wouldn't even notice it unless they were specifically instructed.

Some people have issues with the paint cracking on some of the weld seams, paint peeling in corners, and others have issues with the hood/doors/trunk not closing correctly due to being out of alignment. Those issues I would have a problems with.
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If the moderators wish, they can move these posts to a separate thread since it's gone off course from the original topic.
 
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MTN Ranger said:
I'm pretty sure nobody thinks I'm making this up. I can take more photos to include my customized aero caps to prove it's the same car, but I don't think that is necessary.

I think the zoomed in original headlight photos exaggerated the panel gap between the fender and bumper. But the car was not in an accident. The right headlight is sticking out a little bit and I'm fine with it as purely cosmetic. Most people probably wouldn't even notice it unless they were specifically instructed.

Some people have issues with the paint cracking on some of the weld seams and others have issues with the hood/doors/trunk not closing correctly due to being out of alignment. Those issues I would have a problems with.

If the moderators wish, they can move these posts to a separate thread since it's gone off course from the original topic.
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Interesting, I have not seen the chassis joint cracks in the paint on the Model 3? Where are they located? I had seen cracks before in my friends Model X at the Base of the FWD opening, Tesla solution on those was to caulk them... I tease my buddy, ask him if its time to re-caulk the Tesla yet?
 
Great pictures. I can clearly see why you should sell it and am interested in taking this lemon off your hands.

Reports are first Model 3 were available only for $50,200 but we'll use $50,000 to keep the math simple:
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 $50,000  :: minimum purchase price of first Model 3
*     25% :: depreciation, owner reported defective facia and headlights
-$12,500  :: 25% depreciation
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 $37,500  :: depreciated price
-$ 7,500  :: Federal tax credit, used car, owner keeps
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 $30,000  :: fair market value
 $??,???  :: liens against the title
Ok, we have a rough, fair market value for the car. To make a detailed offer:
  1. Need the VIN to check the car history and get a list of extras from Tesla.
  2. Current odometer reading?
  3. Where it is registered so my bank can check the title for liens?
  4. What airport should I schedule a cheap (2-3 weeks) flight?
Bob Wilson
 
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bwilson4web said:
Great pictures. I can clearly see why you should sell it and am interested in taking this lemon off your hands.

Reports are first Model 3 were available only for $50,200 but we'll use $50,000 to keep the math simple:
Code: 
 $50,000  :: minimum purchase price of first Model 3
*     25% :: depreciation, owner reported defective facia and headlights
-$12,500  :: 25% depreciation
--------
 $37,500  :: depreciated price
-$ 7,500  :: Federal tax credit, used car, owner keeps
--------
 $30,000  :: fair market value
 $??,???  :: liens against the title
Ok, we have a rough, fair market value for the car. To make a detailed offer:
  1. Need the VIN to check the car history and get a list of extras from Tesla.
  2. Current odometer reading?
  3. Where it is registered so my bank can check the title for liens?
  4. What airport should I schedule a cheap (2-3 weeks) flight?
Bob Wilson
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That looks like How Tesla values used cars.... Tesla offered to buy back my friends Model X but at 30K off the sale price, which is really 42K off what they paid after sales tax. Talk about depreciation...
 
There is a method to my madness:
  • Tesla laid off 9% in June, ~3,000 employees
  • Employees had early preference for the most bug prone Model 3
  • 36,700 Model 3 made by end of June
  • $666/mo car loan @2% for 72 months, $50,200 cost, $5,000 down/trade-in
So now we can make a model:
  • ~10% of early Model 3 sold to employees ~= 3,670 cars
  • 9% probability they were laid off ~= 330 Model 3 owned by former Tesla employees
If I can find them, there should be about 330, lightly used, Model 3s on the market. Faced with a substantial monthly car payment and loss of work, they are probably interested in getting out from this expense. So here is the deal:
  1. They keep the Federal and State Tax credits but use them to depreciate the car.
  2. I'll take the car off their hands by paying the remaining lien (negotiable.)
  3. Offer them our 2017 Prius Prime for an excellent price or they buy something else.
So if someone comes here complaining about the fit and finish of their Model 3, my ears perk up. It is probably one of the earliest that were sold to Tesla employees. There is a 9% chance they were recently laid off so it is time to make a deal.

Bob Wilson
 
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David Green said:
Interesting, I have not seen the chassis joint cracks in the paint on the Model 3? Where are they located? I had seen cracks before in my friends Model X at the Base of the FWD opening, Tesla solution on those was to caulk them... I tease my buddy, ask him if its time to re-caulk the Tesla yet?
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I've seen a few, but could only find two right now:
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bwilson4web said:
There is a method to my madness:
  • Tesla laid off 9% in June, ~3,000 employees
  • Employees had early preference for the most bug prone Model 3
  • 36,700 Model 3 made by end of June
  • $666/mo car loan @2% for 72 months, $50,200 cost, $5,000 down/trade-in
So now we can make a model:
  • ~10% of early Model 3 sold to employees ~= 3,670 cars
  • 9% probability they were laid off ~= 330 Model 3 owned by former Tesla employees
If I can find them, there should be about 330, lightly used, Model 3s on the market. Faced with a substantial monthly car payment and loss of work, they are probably interested in getting out from this expense. So here is the deal:
  1. They keep the Federal and State Tax credits but use them to depreciate the car.
  2. I'll take the car off their hands by paying the remaining lien (negotiable.)
  3. Offer them our 2017 Prius Prime for an excellent price or they buy something else.
So if someone comes here complaining about the fit and finish of their Model 3, my ears perk up. It is probably one of the earliest that were sold to Tesla employees. There is a 9% chance they were recently laid off so it is time to make a deal.

Bob Wilson
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I still cannot understand why you reply with nonsense that no-one cares about... You waste your time with senseless analysis... BTW, my buddy that works for SpaceX is getting a new Model 3P, I was certain there was a changeout of those crappy early cars coming somewhere down the line... Of course my buddy will not admit that is the situation... NDA... but I am excited that I will get to drive a 3P sometime soon. On those early cars. I wonder if those are the ones mothballed in the east lot at Lanthrop? There is a couple hundred that have seemingly been abandoned, turned into mouse houses?


Also it seems the Burbank lot is overfull, one of the shorts was interviewing a truck driver parked down the road with a full load of Tesla's that said the lot is overfull, so they are having him wait for space... Now I own trucks, and we currently bill our trucks out at $185 an hour, whether they are standby or rolling, seems expensive to have trucks just sitting waiting to unload in the storage yard. Burbank lot also seems to have had some VIP guests yesterday, which Tesla exec was in the brand new Rolls Royce? I wonder if Elon is in the Hummer? (I better check Elon's flight records to see if he flew to Burbank yesterday) haha! What a green operation, this looks like... My favorite is the Tesla supercharger running off a diesel generator.


I also saw the newsfeed pop up with a new Solar City employee lawsuit, I will go read about that, and fill you in later...
 

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MTN Ranger said:
Ha ha Bob, you're funny. I'm keeping my car for 10+ years. Nice try.

Good luck on finding sellers. In this job market, they all probably have new jobs by now. Here's the cheapest used Model 3 I've seen and it has 12,000 miles for $48,500: https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/742938993/overview/
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Agreed!

Sometimes discussions of 'fit and finish' sound like making a mountain out of a mole hill. But I've also seen young kids back from Halloween going through their loot and complaining about one or another type of candy . . . 'Ok, I'll take that off your hands' and see them suddenly ready to fight to keep that crappy candy.

Bob Wilson
 
Domenick said:
I'm not really following your post, @Stuart21. Are you saying you've developed a drivetrain? Also, your attachment shows up as black screen for me.
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Wow, have just found your reply, Domenick. Not sure why I missed it -

Yes, I have developed a new driveline, ideal for EVs. Attached is our press release in JPG. Only thing is it won't be shown before the end of this year - flat out on other projects.

Stuart
 

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