Here is the issue as I see it. When @David Green posts something, it has some verifiable facts and the rest is, let us call it, conjecture and wishful thinking. But some facts are not in question. Elon engages in hyperbole, he has not delivered on some of his promises (and maybe they should never have been made), shows immaturity when he unnecessary attacks people who question him (like the spelunker in Thailand), and exhibits an immense amount of arrogance. But, none of that should detract from the fact that he is a visionary, he is willing to put his money where his mouth his and that he has some very impressive and commendable achievements. Tesla created the BEV market, SpaceX broke the entrenched duopoly. Calling him for his failures is perfectly acceptable, but at the same time trying to belittle his achievements using questionable logic and unverifiable statements, is living in a state of denial. Every time a manufacturer introduces a product with new features, especially in the automotive market where you have over a dozen potential competitors, a few years later some other manufacturer will try and leapfrog the innovator with new features of their own. Model S and X were the only ones that provided the range and convenience features for a long time. It is not surprising that others now want to crash the party and the e-tron and I-pace may in someways be better than the S/X. They Taycan may better than the S/X in many ways but is likely to have a price point that is over the S/X. The basic fact however is that none of these would have come into the market with so much of investment and urgency from the Jaguar/VW/GM etc. if it was not for Tesla. Till even recently, Toyota poo-poohed BEVs but now are working with Subaru to try and be in the market. And S/X are improving, for the example the range is an impressive 370 miles. I always try to be logical, dispassionate and not have an agenda. To me, Elon is a complex personality but, all things considered, he has done a lot of good and moved the needle towards a more sustainable future. Not all seem to see it that way. Either they have an agenda (if you are short seller, you are motivated to talk down Tesla) or have a different sense of priorities or are blind to a few things but use a magnifying glass to others. @David Green is clearly biased against Tesla and I still do not understand his logic. If his only hatred to Elon stems from the fact that Elon lies, then I hope he exhibits the same attitude towards every person, politician, business, corporation etc. that lies.