Where would you sit?
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SouthernDude
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I'd sit in position one and tell Trump he needs to put India on the ban list. lol
I'd choose the same seat, but take the time to explain China, EVs, and the future of the US manufacturing industry.
After we landed, I'd expect a kickback from the Ford Motor Company (or "Ford's" as we assembly-line workers used to call our employer).
SouthernDude
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I have friends who work in tech and some have been laid off because of H1B and they know many more who've been impacted from it. Almost exclusively affects younger guys, so that matters more to me right now. People are just going to buy EVs anyways at some point.
Also, I was told my entire life that by virtue of my southern birth I owed some eternal blood guilt over slavery and that I deserve to witness the desecration of the character and memorials to my ancestors over it. The very same people who've inflicted this charge against me and my people now heap nothing but praise for china because they make a certain set of products cheaply while completely disregarding any basic environmental protections and treating their own workers to conditions 10x worse than anything slaves in the south experienced. The same people tell me that we need to emulate china for the future of US manufacturing. This is how I interpret any praise of Chinese manufacturing. In light of that, what would you say about china? Really curious about it. Not alleging that you think the prior things, just noticing a pattern.
My preferences:
- #7 - easy aisle access to restroom; stand up to stretch; overhead bin access, front of plane
- #9, #8 - aisle passenger likely to take a break or tolerate letting me go to bathroom, front of plane
- #3 - recline seat for a nap
I believe the US was the world's tech leader for generations, but our short-sighted government and short-sighted corporate stockholders are ensuring China will soon take the lead in technology. China took the long view decades ago and that strategy appears to be paying off. I in no way endorse how China went about acquiring its technology or how it abuses its people to achieve its goals.
IMHO, it is nostalgia for the Hoover era with reversal of everything they think they can kill. But the sins of those earlier times led to decades of corrective actions. At age 76, I may not see them but I am optimistic they will return.
Americans will always to the right thing after exhausting all alternatives.
Bob Wilson
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R P
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Problem also is the increasingly onerous regulations and regulators that suffocate innovation and entrepreneurship. Really slows down bringing any new development to market. And struggling existing ones are doomed to die if they can't get investment or be sold to someone with the resources to carry on. Here is a case in point. They were very successful at one point, and Amazon might have saved them. But the govt stopped them. Who wants to risk venture capital in that environment.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/20/roomba-bankruptcy-robot-vacuum-maker.html
This is not just a US problem. It is actually even worse in Canada. Very difficult to start anything new or build a plant, or even a store. I came from the big box retail world. Used to take 1 or 2 years from start to finish to build a new store. Now it is 10+ years.
SouthernDude
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It is true that the chinese elite are thinking in terms of decades - really centuries. That doesn't mean they don't have massive internal issues. Their elite are thinking beyond whatever dispensation of chinese government that exists now. They have a looming population crisis and its all but confirmed that their population is lower than what they report. Plus a lot of the projects that we China has a long history of having a massive, crushing bureaucracy that collapses internally at some point. Its just their history. Also, half of China's "innovation" is just stealing IP from western universities. Yet another argument for completely and totally shutting down all immigration. So that adds more to the mirage of Chinese dominance.
The modern stakeholder responsibility came about from a lawsuit between the Dodge brothers and Henry Ford. Ford was massively out competing the Dodge brothers because he was making a product people wanted and wasn't treating his employees like garbage so had high output. The Dodge brothers didn't like this so sued Ford over it an won. But that really isn't the biggest factor.
The real glaring issue on why long term thinking is dead is mass immigration + mass democracy + welfare + anti-inheritance. Mass democracy allows low impulse control populations to vote for eternal expansions to welfare, when they don't actually need it. Welfare in the US (and everywhere really) is not designed to rehabilitate people, its designed to make them dependent and this dependency creates an "I got it for myself" mindset - no future thinking - and both parties are willing to entertain this mindset to farm votes. The mass unassimilated immigrants just extract wealth and send it overseas and vote for whichever party makes it easier for them to do that given whatever industry they are extracting from. Any and all laws against fully passing on inheritance destroys the greatest incentive to think generations into the future - all done in the name of "fairness" but what it actually does is rot the nation from the inside out.
Plus it doesn't help that the broadly foreign elite in the US hate the history and hate the founding stock of the US. They hate WASPs and have done whatever they can to upend and destroy the very people that created the country in favor of handing all the wealth and power over to more foreigners who just seek to extract it for themselves or whatever nation they come from. It also doesn't help that boomers are devouring their own youth's financial stability for their pensions. Witnessing this over the past 10 years has been very revealing.
This is also very true. Its not just "regulations" its the type of regulations that destroy any innovation itself. Native born people have a far harder time starting any new business and most regulations completely disincentivize having a long term mindset on just about anything.