Unitarians

[bwilson4web]

A week ago, I was at the dog park when a young man asked, “Do you believe in God?”

“Yes of course but I need to finish this” holding my cell phone.

Done, I explained of course God exists and described my Unitarian experience. Then he explained that Alcoholics Anonymous has a strong inclusion on God as part of their principles that was causing him a problem.

I explained that the 12 steps are a buffet of practices that have worked and should each be tried experimentally to find the ones that work for you. For example, I found the 5th step very useful:

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“Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.” ​

So I had coordinated with my Unitarian minister to give her my “letter to God.” I still have copies on my laptop. Writing each letter, I would wait hours or the next day to edit before printing. I would drop them off at her office and I got better. Four years sober come May 18.

I met him the next day leaving the noon meeting and managed to toss a dollar in the collection. So like the tax collector’s prayer in the corner of the temple, I too confess my sins to God.

So who loudly thanks God for not being the lowly tax collector? Who takes on the name of God to claim damnation on others?

Bob Wilson

 

[SouthernDude]

Did Jesus die on the cross and resurrect 3 days afterwards?

Yes or no.

 

[bwilson4web]

Yes or no.

Works for me.

Jesus' ministry on how to bring the "Kingdom of God" is what makes his life important: Jefferson Bible - Wikipedia

. . . The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, was completed in 1820 by cutting and pasting, with a razor and glue, numerous sections from the New Testament as extractions of the doctrine of Jesus. Jefferson's condensed composition excludes all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the supernatural, including sections of the four gospels that contain the Resurrection and most other miracles, and passages that portray Jesus as divine​

I don't have a copy of the Jefferson Bible but sounds like it matches my Unitarian beliefs.

Bob Wilson

 

[R P]

So, is that a no?

 

[bwilson4web]

So, is that a no?

I'm a firm, unknown. Modern medical technology such as brain activity, was not available back then. Today, we use brain activity as the determination of death for things like organ transplant donors. For example: Woman Wakes Up in Coffin After Brother Tried to Donate Her Organs and Have Her Cremated

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November 23, 2025​

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A woman recently woke up inside a coffin alive after being transported to a local temple for cremation.​

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The 65-year-old, from Thailand, was being driven by her brother to the Wat Rat Prakhong Tham Buddhist temple in the Nonthaburi province for cremation when the incident occurred on Sunday, Nov. 23, according to the Associated Press.​

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Pairat Soodthoop, the temple’s general and financial affairs manager, told the outlet that the woman's brother said he heard a knocking noise coming from the coffin during the drive from the Phitsanulok province.​

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Surprised, Pairat said he “asked them to open the coffin.” That’s when they saw the woman — alive.​

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A woman was found alive inside a coffin after her brother brought her to a temple to be cremated in Thailand.​

What was his core body temperature? Blood oxygen level? Heart electrical activity? What clinical instrumentation was used to verify his dead? Regardless, these clinical tests are not as important as what Jesus taught us,

In a similar fashion, I was not there when Joseph Smith took direction from an angel. Nor was I there when Muhammad wrote down what the angel told him. We can add Vernon Wayne Howell (aka. David Koresh), Marshall Applewhite, and Jim Jones. Modern medical practices have confirmed they died. As for what they taught, I am not inclined to follow.

In contrast, Jesus taught us how to bring the Kingdom of God by how we treat each other in life. Do not let "Bible Idolatry" lead you to disregard what Jesus taught us.

Bob Wilson

 

[R P]

OK, I understand your point of view, which I think is how a lot of people think about it. But if I understand the scriptures, unless you have absolute faith that God sent Jesus down to earth to die for our sins and be resurrected, you don't get into Heaven.

If you believe in Jesus, why wouldn't you accept him as your saviour? Or do you not believe in Heaven and Hell either? The consequences of a wrong decision with this is unimaginable.

 

[bwilson4web]

OK, I understand your point of view, which I think is how a lot of people think about it. But if I understand the scriptures, unless you have absolute faith that God sent Jesus down to earth to die for our sins and be resurrected, you don't get into Heaven.

If you believe in Jesus, why wouldn't you accept him as your saviour? Or do you not believe in Heaven and Hell either? The consequences of a wrong decision with this is unimaginable.

This requires absolute faith in "the Scriptures" just as Islam and the Quran or the Book of Mormon and the Latter Day Saints. Having multiple "words of God" is the same as having multiple moralities ... it becomes situational morals or functionally none at all. But this is how I choose to live my Unitarian life.

I am not a missionary to others. I am explaining what I believe and choose to follow in life. If others choose to follow a different path, fine. I choose to bring the Kingdom of God to my Unitarian life:

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  Mark Twain’s most significant fictional correspondence regarding non-Christian views is found in
  Letters from the Earth, specifically written from the perspective of Satan observing humanity. In these, he satirizes traditional religious beliefs, arguing that the biblical God is cruel, contradictory, and demands irrational worship.
  
  Key elements from Twain's skeptical, anti-orthodox writings include:
  • Letters from the Earth (Letter III): Satan describes God’s "one code of morals for himself, and quite another for his children," criticizing the harshness of the Fall of Man.
  • Definition of Christianity: He famously noted, "There has been only one Christian. They caught him and crucified him—early".
  • Critique of Faith: Twain argued that the "easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly" is a hallmark of human ego, often writing that there is no evidence for Heaven.
  • "Letters from the Earth" (Letter X): He posits that God is to blame when a man goes wrong, as the man is merely acting in accordance with how he was created.

Bob Wilson

 

[bwilson4web]

Theology asides, there are trinitarians who share what Jesus taught us:


Bob Wilson

 

[SouthernDude]

So, is that a no?

Of course its a no. lol.

But if I understand the scriptures, unless you have absolute faith that God sent Jesus down to earth to die for our sins and be resurrected, you don't get into Heaven.

If you believe in Jesus, why wouldn't you accept him as your saviour? Or do you not believe in Heaven and Hell either? The consequences of a wrong decision with this is unimaginable.

Generally speaking yes. It is about having faith that Christ is who He says He is.


Some scripture kind of laying it out. Romans truly is the best for people who are unfamiliar with what Christianity is about and want to know. My pastor is actually doing a series on Romans right now. Its been a good excuse for me to go back through and read Romans again.

Romans 4:13–25

The Promise Realized Through Faith

[13] For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. [14] For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. [15] For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.

[16] That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, [17] as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”—in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. [18] In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” [19] He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead (since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah’s womb. [20] No unbelief made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, [21] fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. [22] That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” [23] But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, [24] but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, [25] who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification. (ESV)

 

[SouthernDude]

Works for me.

Jesus' ministry on how to bring the "Kingdom of God" is what makes his life important: Jefferson Bible - Wikipedia

. . . The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth, was completed in 1820 by cutting and pasting, with a razor and glue, numerous sections from the New Testament as extractions of the doctrine of Jesus. Jefferson's condensed composition excludes all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the supernatural, including sections of the four gospels that contain the Resurrection and most other miracles, and passages that portray Jesus as divine
I don't have a copy of the Jefferson Bible but sounds like it matches my Unitarian beliefs.

I'm a firm, unknown. Modern medical technology such as brain activity, was not available back then. Today, we use brain activity as the determination of death for things like organ transplant donors. For example: Woman Wakes Up in Coffin After Brother Tried to Donate Her Organs and Have Her Cremated

Ok so thats a no. You do not believe that Christ died and resurrected 3 days afterwards.

Theology asides, there are trinitarians who share what Jesus taught us:


Bob Wilson

Talarico is not a christian. Remember how you started this thread by lying and saying you were a Christian and then it was revealed that you didn't believe in the divinity of Christ, the death and resurrection of Christ, that any of the scriptures were divinely inspired, ignored most of what Jesus said, and then cherry pick some verses you like and torture whatever meaning you want from them devoid of any contextual or traditional understanding of the verses? I do!

In short, you progressives all lie about being Christians in an attempt to manipulate Christians into doing what you want them to. In reality, you have nothing but hatred and contempt towards Christians because you see us as a barrier to whatever butt-s3x filled jim jones socialist utopia that progressives imagine in their head.

This requires absolute faith in "the Scriptures" just as Islam and the Quran or the Book of Mormon and the Latter Day Saints. Having multiple "words of God" is the same as having multiple moralities

This makes absolutely no sense. All religions make truth claims that are mutually exclusive of each other and they all have scriptures/holy teachings that do not teach or say the same things. They all can't be true at the same time. Either one is true or all are false. That is it. nothing else. It takes all sorts of motivated reasoning to ignore something so obvious.

All it does is prove this internet meme true.

it becomes situational morals or functionally none at all. But this is how I choose to live my Unitarian life.

"Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions" - GK Chesterton. Truly being borne out here. The "pluralism" you seek to impose on everyone. Too bad none of you actually keep it to yourselves.

I am not a missionary to others. I am explaining what I believe and choose to follow in life. If others choose to follow a different path, fine. I choose to bring the Kingdom of God to my Unitarian life:

You say this then you "unitarians" seek to impose your insanity onto everyone else. When you say "kingdom of God", its not the actual Kingdom of God as described in scripture, its this heaven's gate-jim jones-new age-socialist utopia nonsense. Go to Guyana and drink your koolaid there. Quit trying to impose it on the children in my society. One of the things I have learned in the past few years is just how many progressives want people like me dead because I won't go along with whatever fake morals they themselves don't even take seriously. Its madness.

My best friend lives in Auburn and he has shown me who pushes for all the progressive nonsense there and your buddy unitarians are on every list. Its become very obvious to us that progressives just view America as being nothing more than an ATM for 3rd world people. Thanks for hating me and all the other Christians and for actively working to destroy my society and my nation.

 

[R P]

You know, I think about this more and more... I have thought of myself as a Christian ever since I was a kid. I was even baptized. So I did have a Christian upbringing. But I was not a hard practising Christian later in life and rarely even attended church. However, ever since Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and I learned more about his life and what his mission was, I felt a little guilty and decided I wanted to understand better what it takes to get into Heaven. Like I said to Bob in a past post, the alternative is unimaginable. If I were him, I would really look at this seriously, and be sure you are not fooling yourself into Hell.