SE vs ICE

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There aren't really that many EV fires for that matter (though obviously preparation and training for that eventuality is necessarily more complex). But you'll never see a newspaper headline that reads "AIRPLANE LANDS ON TIME" either.
 
SameGuy said:
I was going to ask you that
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Well, the 120Ah BMW i3 (Samsung SDI) has a cell specific energy of 152Wh/kg using NCM 622 and the SE has a 159Wh/kg per EPA filing.

Where things difficult is that pouch cells generally include the entire pack/module in the weight, and prismatic will be the cell only. Personally I think those researchers just double counted and treated the specific energy as a pack amount and inferred a 248Wh/kg cell energy density.

There is a reason why the Gen 5 batteries are much smaller & thinner for NCM 811 than the chunky SE battery cell. Also the whole thermal runaway experiment was just adding heat until it gets to ~200C..let's see what happens after that! Blah blah blah.
 
Qisl said:
Post Post Script:

While I was waiting to test drive the Countryman S All4, I saw a young woman transferring her belongings from a 2013 Countryman into a 2020 Clubman. It was a swap rather than increasing a MINI household by one. She said that her Countryman, with 100k miles, had a damaged cylinder head, and that the dealership had quoted her a price tag of $15k to replace the engine (replacing the cylinder head was also an option, but she didn't mention the price). The Clubman was only $20k... easy choice to make.

Take that you EV maligners spouting battery replacement costs when denigrating EVs.
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Ahh, a 2013 Countryman with the venerable (/s) N18 engine. Sold my R56 S last Saturday after 4 years 8 months of ownership. During my for sale period my high pressure fuel pump decided to go on the fritz. I'll miss Barry the Cooper and his 6 speed MT, but I won't miss the anxiety of awaiting the next engine issue.

On another forum there was an anecdote about a chap with a ~'14 Model S that had a battery failure at 80k and quoted $17k to replace by Tesla. Supposedly sold it for $1000 scrap value, but wait, let's think this through. - buy a Model S with dud battery for scrap value, spend $17k on a replacement battery that should be good for another 10 years or more and you have a decent car for $18k. See YouTube Samcrac and his Model S P90D that he got at auction for about $10.5k. All that was wrong was a completely flat battery! (and control arms, then a window regulator).

cheers
MacMini34
 
MacMini34 said:
Ahh, a 2013 Countryman with the venerable (/s) N18 engine. Sold my R56 S last Saturday after 4 years 8 months of ownership. During my for sale period my high pressure fuel pump decided to go on the fritz. I'll miss Barry the Cooper and his 6 speed MT, but I won't miss the anxiety of awaiting the next engine issue.

On another forum there was an anecdote about a chap with a ~'14 Model S that had a battery failure at 80k and quoted $17k to replace by Tesla. Supposedly sold it for $1000 scrap value, but wait, let's think this through. - buy a Model S with dud battery for scrap value, spend $17k on a replacement battery that should be good for another 10 years or more and you have a decent car for $18k. See YouTube Samcrac and his Model S P90D that he got at auction for about $10.5k. All that was wrong was a completely flat battery! (and control arms, then a window regulator).

cheers
MacMini34
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It would be an even bigger bargain if that old Model S still qualified for free Supercharging after getting a new battery.
 
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