Rivian and VW

bwilson4web

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If the Rivian/VW joint venture works, good for them. All they have to do is make an operational profit on each EV sold. My understanding is Tesla and BYD are the only companies making an operational profit. Tesla to the tune of an 18% margin, ~3x better than BYD. So when Toyota and Mercedes bought and later sold Tesla stock, both were making profits and those shares helped Tesla survive. Just they could not adopt the Elon method of engineering and manufacturing management.

Recently, Robotaxi became a buzz word. For example, Yahoo Finance claimed “Rimac” whose cheapest car is ~$2 million, will be a major player in 2026. This contrasts two, self-driving, architectures: (1) sensor rich, detailed mapped, geofenced, and (2) wide open, sensor minimum, rapid software updated computers. It is a contest between increased parts and reduced reliability versus minimum parts and computer driven.

Today, June 27, my five year old, Tesla Model 3 with 137,000 mi, will drive me and the dogs, 160 miles to Atlanta. Staying at an affordable motel with free charging, I will return on Friday, ~400 miles and no charging stops or payment. So why would I a future Robotaxi that can not drive directly where I want to go when I already own one?

Bob Wilson
 
I would have expected a Rivian and VW post to be in either the Rivian forum or the Volkswagen forum. Once my ID.RIV mash-up becomes a reality, Tesla's toast.

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VW is investing $5 billion essentially for access to Rivians software and electronics. Not 100% certain how this will play out for VW (for Rivians great !) VW seems to have really gotton thier software running great, very fast and manual preconditiong (which my 2023 does not have )


And then you have Rivian that appears to have screwed up thie software in the latest update

..so I'm not convinced rivians software team is any better than VW's

That said VW will probably gain from Rivians latest updates for 2025 on anwarrd models is that they were able to remove 1.6 MILES of wiring and connectors !!

The latest models feature a drastic reduction in internal wiring, cutting 1.6 miles of wiring and shedding 44 pounds of weight(seen it on JerryRig cant find it now)


So that's a definite step in the direction of inching towrds profitablity , but $5 billion worth ? I suppose over millions of EVs


 
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