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Wildeyed
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It's totally manual. Just select your charge level in the screen. Bluelink is not a software conduit. It's just a dumb remote control. I really think that overreaction to this is unwarranted. I mean, I understand it, but the facts really don't bear it out. You're better off protecting yourself from lightning than worrying about a battery fire.
Tony Hays
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Good question. I'm more than willing to join a class-action lawsuit, and I suspect a lawsuit would have good chance of success. I realize that this is already going to cost Hyundai about $11,000 per vehicle, but on the other hand I didn't buy a car that would operate on only 80% of its advertised battery capacity.
NRH
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This really doesn't seem like a "sky is falling" scenario. The incidence of car fires is EXTREMELY low. Aren't we up to about a dozen out of 100,000 globally? So I have a 1 in 10,000 chance that a physical object I own will burn up. And if that happens I'll get a new car (insurance, warranty, lawsuit, whatever). I'm not going to let that remote possibility keep me up at night - especially considering that in the grand scheme of things, it wouldn't even end up being much of a hardship.
I agree that losing 20% of my capacity won't work for me, so I won't reduce my charge limit. I'm not being forced to, and I'm not even being coerced to through some sort of liability shield agreement. (If that were the case I'd have a problem with it, but it's not the case.)
I'll happily drive my car for another 20,000 miles, and when we get a new, free $20,000 battery - in 3 months, 6 months, a year - I'll happily start over again with what will be a significantly longer-lived car than the one I paid for.
Hakuna Matata folks!
I agree that losing 20% of my capacity won't work for me, so I won't reduce my charge limit. I'm not being forced to, and I'm not even being coerced to through some sort of liability shield agreement. (If that were the case I'd have a problem with it, but it's not the case.)
I'll happily drive my car for another 20,000 miles, and when we get a new, free $20,000 battery - in 3 months, 6 months, a year - I'll happily start over again with what will be a significantly longer-lived car than the one I paid for.
Hakuna Matata folks!
XtsKonaTrooper
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^^^^^^^
Another way, I've looked at it. At some point after the battery replacement, it could be a selling feature cuz the battery has less battery depreciation for the age of the car.
I just hope there isn't further issues with the battery system, cuz then we're really screwed hehe
Another way, I've looked at it. At some point after the battery replacement, it could be a selling feature cuz the battery has less battery depreciation for the age of the car.
I just hope there isn't further issues with the battery system, cuz then we're really screwed hehe
I have a Kona EV manufactured in Feb 2020 and the battery was manufactured in Dec 2019. The battery stickers show "HL GreenPower" and "Mobis", so clearly it was made by LG. On the Hyundai Canada website my car is NOT listed for the battery recall and my dealer confirms that there are no plans to replace my battery. What gives?!?!
BaylorBob
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Simpson, Do you know for sure that you have the New Battery that Hyundai is going to use as the Replacement Battery? or are you just thinking that since you bought your car in April 2021 you have it? Did you know that many cars you buy that come from Japan, Korea, Germany may be made a few months before it gets to the dealers lot? I believe if you look at the Window Sticker it will tell you where the car was manufactured, and the Port where it Arrived, such as Long Beach, California or for New Jersey it may have come through Port Jersey in Jersey City or Port Newark. If I remember correctly the Window Sticker or other Documents that may come with the car will show the Date the car arrived in America, unless the Dealer has removed them during the Make-Ready Process. Not Maliciously, but it may have just been a sticker or decal with the date.
apu
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Bri check the Hyundai site in a couple of weeks. It looks like Hyundai Canada is rolling out the official recall sequentially . The oldest 2018-2019 Konas hit the website first. my October 2019 build didn't show up for another 3 weeks after these oldest cars. I am not sure what the reasoning is for this as they don't have solution for anyone yet anyways. If you were part of the original of BMS software "update" there is no reason to believe your not affected by the battery manufacturing defect recall, just give it a little more time.
MSimpsonNJ
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I can just tell you what I know. I bought the car in February 2021. My battery sticker has a date of April 22, 2020. My car has a manufacture date of May 13, 2020 as shown on the plate on the inside of the door frame. Pics of both below.
So by all accounts, I am outside of the recall date as it currently stands.
I have read a ton of articles about the battery problem, and how they were dealing with it. I don't have the articles that discuss it right now but my recollection is that they said that the problem was being resolved by putting an insulation coating on the cathodes within the battery cells which is supposed to prevent electrical shorts and the resulting fires, and that the reason the recall date ends where it did is that beyond the end date they had started manufacturing the batteries with this insulative coating. Do I know I have the insulation? No. Am I pretty sure I do? Yes.
R P
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I see SK and LG Chem have settled their dispute. Maybe this will speed up the roll-out of the replacement batteries. Probably good news for the Ioniq 5, too.
https://insideevs.com/news/500193/sk-innovation-lg-chem-settlement/
https://insideevs.com/news/500193/sk-innovation-lg-chem-settlement/
DasMeister
Active Member
I found out about this recall from this site/ the news about a week into lease on my 2020. Dealership wouldn't let me out of lease - wanted me to give them 2k to get out / buy car back.
After long time of back and forth they given me a loaner until battery issues fixed. So at least I get to put miles on this other car ( and not slow down for speed bumps etc) and I'll get to bank the miles on leased vehicle.
But they know it's going to take awhile -to the point the service manager said about every 3k miles I'll need to switch loaner cars... so they expect me to have that for a while... (can't see how this is cheaper than letting me out of lease...)
Still hard for me to swallow just because how soon I got the news ( and then right after got card in spokes issue intermittently) ; has soured whole experience - and unsure if I should cut losses and find something else
After long time of back and forth they given me a loaner until battery issues fixed. So at least I get to put miles on this other car ( and not slow down for speed bumps etc) and I'll get to bank the miles on leased vehicle.
But they know it's going to take awhile -to the point the service manager said about every 3k miles I'll need to switch loaner cars... so they expect me to have that for a while... (can't see how this is cheaper than letting me out of lease...)
Still hard for me to swallow just because how soon I got the news ( and then right after got card in spokes issue intermittently) ; has soured whole experience - and unsure if I should cut losses and find something else
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MSimpsonNJ
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What is your manufacture date? Look at the plate on inside of the door frame - it's the same plate that has the tire pressure info.
NRH
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Actually, instead of the car manufacture date, look at the battery pack manufacture date. Visible from the underside of the car, behind the left rear wheel, there's a sticker on the rear of the battery pack.
MSimpsonNJ
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I've never been fully clear on the which date is the key date, but the recall notice (https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V127-1095.PDF) identifies the vehicle production date, not the battery production date. I agree that it could be poor wording and I have looked at both dates for mine, but if one goes purely by the official recall notice the critical window is for 2019-2020 Kona EV'S produced from August 28, 2018 through March 2, 2020. It is probably a moot point for Bruce M. since he purchased his in March of 2020 and thud I expect both dates will be before the March 2, 2020 cutoff, but worth checking both anyway.
MSimpsonNJ
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Bob - here is the recall notice (https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V127-1095.PDF) which indicates that the insulated cathode was put into production on March 3, 2020.
Jgood
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While getting my last 3 service recalls done this week I was talking with the service rep while waiting. I questioned her about the battery replacement issue and she pulled up the recall info on her terminal screen. She was nice enough to turn it around and let me look too. What I noticed was the battery recall notice had a note included that indicated that the service recall would BEGIN with parts available in October. This is in the U.S., so I don't know how that will affect any other parts of the world.
Jgood
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I also spoke with the tech who did the work on my car. He said they have to take photos of the charge level screen on each car to prove that they've been set to 80% at the dealer. When I asked him about needing to charge for longer trips he smiled and to paraphrase said "it's your call, but I wouldn't recommend it". This got me to thinking that I'm sure the SOC is recorded at all times in data logs. Hyundai could easily look at the log files to see if someone was charging above 80% which would likely shield them from any legal action. The only way around it is if the car burns to the ground and incinerates the logging components!
GPM432
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This really doesn't seem like a "sky is falling" scenario. The incidence of car fires is EXTREMELY low. Aren't we up to about a dozen out of 100,000 globally? So I have a 1 in 10,000 chance that a physical object I own will burn up. And if that happens I'll get a new car (insurance, warranty, lawsuit, whatever). I'm not going to let that remote possibility keep me up at night - especially considering that in the grand scheme of things, it wouldn't even end up being much of a hardship.
I agree that losing 20% of my capacity won't work for me, so I won't reduce my charge limit. I'm not being forced to, and I'm not even being coerced to through some sort of liability shield agreement. (If that were the case I'd have a problem with it, but it's not the case.)
I'll happily drive my car for another 20,000 miles, and when we get a new, free $20,000 battery - in 3 months, 6 months, a year - I'll happily start over again with what will be a significantly longer-lived car than the one I paid for.
Hakuna Matata folks!
I Agree totally Lots of people are really over concerned here. When and if your time comes to get a replacement battery then that's when it will happen for you. Just drive your car till then. Charge it to what ever you like. If I took a poll here I bet no one has had their car blow up and the chances are almost nil. Hyundai is doing this so they don't get sued etc. A billion dollars to them is peanuts it's their reputation they are guarding at this point I think. So far my Kona is the best vehicle I have owned .
Wildeyed
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Naw. Hyundai can't"shield" itself from liability. And it certainly can't arbitrarily change only its side of a contract. If I was a U.S. owner I would closely read any small print in relation to that $200 cash card and before I agreed to use it though.