Non Tesla Supercharger Hack ?

Rcarter: analyzing network protocols is hardly illegal, and show me any text that implied that Mistress
was intending any kind of unauthorized service theft. Until you can demonstrate intent to harm,
knock off the alarmism.

_H*
 
hobbit said:
Rcarter: analyzing network protocols is hardly illegal, and show me any text that implied that Mistress
was intending any kind of unauthorized service theft. Until you can demonstrate intent to harm,
knock off the alarmism.

_H*
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Tesla is networked bound through it’s supercharger network by online or not?
If not then I apologize.
 
rcarter3636 said:
Tesla is networked bound through it’s supercharger network by online or not?
If not then I apologize.
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Not sure what you are asking:
  • J1772 - level 1 and 2, a universal AC charging access interface requires a passive adapter for Tesla
  • CHAdeMO adapter - provides up to 50 kW charging rate
  • Tesla SuperCharger - provides up to 250 kW although my Model 3 only goes to 170 kW
There is no CCS-1 interface for Teslas in North America but some 3d party claim to have made one. There are reports of CCS-1 to Tesla adapter in South Korea.

Bob Wilson
 
SouthernDude said:
Why waste countless thousands of dollars on a pointless modification. Just get the adapter whenever it comes out.

Even if you switch over the port on your car today, you still wouldn't be able to charge on the supercharger network. Tesla will know that a hacked car is trying to access the network. It's difficult for salvaged teslas to charge on the supercharger network, if they even charge at all. I have no idea how you would clone a tesla account and it not raise an alarm in the system either - a third party tesla to ccs adapter hasn't been made for a reason.

You are basically asking how to do something that will ultimately turn your car into a brick. It doesn't make sense. If you are that desperate to get onto the tesla network, just sell your niro and buy a tesla or be patient and wait for the tesla to ccs adapter when it gets made by tesla.
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Go away
 
bwilson4web said:
I recommend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model

  1. Physical layer - just buy parts from eBay
  2. Data link layer - there are reports it is CAN bus but also mixed with J1772 protocol. I would start with a digital oscope to identify protocol and get a microprocessor with appropriate interface.
  3. Network layer - you'll need to identify the communication frames (i.e., packets.) From this point, you'll need a SuperCharger enabled Tesla to 'wire tap' the communications and record sessions. You'll also need a network bus analyzer, or build one, to capture sessions to support reverse engineering.
  4. Transport layer - it may need to reach from the car back to servers using SuperCharger as a repeater or router.
  5. Session layer - how your vehicle and equipment identifies itself to the SuperCharger network. I would expect a VIN and potentially password and/or encryption keys. Some of them can be 'difficult.'
  6. Presentation layer - setup communications to share battery and charger status
  7. Application layer - when charging voltage and current pass from SuperCharger to vehicle
I would defer to any recommendations from @hobbit or the OBD scanning tool builders.

Bob Wilson
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Wonder if I could just have a legit Tesla do the handshake while Niro receives DC current. If the tesla charge port on the niro used a comport extension to run to the tesla's com port. Then all communication would be legit direct from the tesla. But the hot DC lines would be activated while connected to the niro's charge port.
Think i'll take Charging port assemply to supercharger and see what it tries to do on the communication port.
 
Uh, if the Niro can't tell the charger how much current it wants, dunno if you're going to get
anythimg. But at a minimum I'd be keenly interested in a coupla scope captures from the
Tesla comms, just to see what it looks like.

_H*
 
electric mistress said:
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lol. Suit yourself. You'll spend thousands and your car will be a brick.

If you want to waste time and money on a project like this, it makes far more sense for you to make a tesla to ccs adapter yourself. That way your car isn't a total brick when it doesn't immediately work. Why take stupid risks? Plus, it doesn't basically make your car worthless when you try to sell it later on.

This is still pointless because tesla will be opening up their network to all EVs within 2 years.
 
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